Thin (really thin!) 35 yr. old male needs opinions.

**corpse1970** · 10-22-2005, 11:39 AM

Hey all, Im a 35 yr. old male who has been skinny all my life. My weight will fluctuate depending on the time of yr.With that in mind, a year ago I tried
two well known anabolics and had gained about 15 pounds w/in a month on them. My weight before was 126, weight after was 141. I really felt young
and energetic while using them, but unfortunately lost all my gains due to
not being able to do a post cycle regimin. I have not used them since then but am thinking about going on them again.. What should someone like me do to maximize my gains and actually keep them?, I know what compounds
do what, but more specifically I'm looking at the cost/benefit deal and what
certain compounds will give me the most bang for the buck. The two I used
were sus250/d-bol btw.

Thanks for your time and help.
Corpse.

**Pinnacle** · 10-22-2005, 11:54 AM

How tall are you?

~Pinnacle~

**Tazwell** · 10-22-2005, 11:58 AM

unfortunatly, with out a good base to build on, you will loose most of your gains after a cycle..

**oswaldosalcedo** · 10-22-2005, 12:08 PM

Originally Posted by corpse1970

Hey all, Im a 35 yr. old male who has been skinny all my life. My weight will fluctuate depending on the time of yr.With that in mind, a year ago I tried
two well known anabolics and had gained about 15 pounds w/in a month on them. My weight before was 126, weight after was 141. I really felt young
and energetic while using them, but unfortunately lost all my gains due to
not being able to do a post cycle regimin. I have not used them since then but am thinking about going on them again.. What should someone like me do to maximize my gains and actually keep them?, I know what compounds
do what, but more specifically I'm looking at the cost/benefit deal and what
certain compounds will give me the most bang for the buck. The two I used
were sus250/d-bol btw.

Thanks for your time and help.
Corpse.

i began at 140 pounds, now 200 plus (220 will be heavenly !).
ultralight boned,6 inches wrist,30 inches waist, 5´9 inches tall.
you can do it.

**corpse1970** · 10-22-2005, 12:12 PM

Thanks for replying, I'm 5'10". My weight fluctuates between 123/136 i'm a
lot heavier during the winter months (all them thx-giving and Christmas
dinners

. Anyway, as someone whos in his mid thirties, this stuff
really made me feel good (mood wise). Is this normal w/gear?.

what I used: Muscle techs, cell tech/nitro tech along with the gear. I ate
like a pig too!....lots of fish, red meat, oatmeal, brown rice etc. I tried M1T
initially, but that stuff gave me a migrane.

**longhorn814** · 10-22-2005, 12:18 PM

the reason you dont gain is b/c you dont eat!! You say your weight fluctuates during the holiday season b/c youre eating more. Just think if you eat more all the time

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=113010

Read this thread and eat like this every day and I guarantee you will put on some size. Steroids dont work unless you know how to eat and without that solid base you'll lose most of the gains

**oswaldosalcedo** · 10-22-2005, 12:22 PM

Originally Posted by corpse1970

Thanks for replying, I'm 5'10". My weight fluctuates between 123/136 i'm a
lot heavier during the winter months (all them thx-giving and Christmas
dinners

. Anyway, as someone whos in his mid thirties, this stuff
really made me feel good (mood wise). Is this normal w/gear?.

what I used: Muscle techs, cell tech/nitro tech along with the gear. I ate
like a pig too!....lots of fish, red meat, oatmeal, brown rice etc. I tried M1T
initially, but that stuff gave me a migrane.

you have to eat a lot !

**Pinnacle** · 10-22-2005, 12:36 PM

If you don't make a commitment to health(Diet) and fitness(training) for a lifetime endeavor,then it will be a total waste of time for you to run a cycle.Especially at the weight you are currently.It's obvious you don't have the discipline needed at this point to maintain gains made off a cycle.Once you can make a 100 % commitment for life(Health/fitness),then I'd consider running a cycle.In the mean time,I'd focus on diet and training.

~Pinnacle~

**JiGGaMaN** · 10-22-2005, 12:39 PM

...and besides, eating is delicious!

**corpse1970** · 10-22-2005, 12:46 PM

Hey all, thanks for the help. Obviously, at the time I was on the gear, I understood the importance of diet. What I want to tell all those who say
I need to eat. I do eat, we (a four member household 2 of which are under
the age of 7) are on the hook for a four hundred dollar a month grocery
bill, so I do eat, and eat a lot, its just my present metabolism just does not
allow me to keep on any weight. Over the last fifteen yrs. I have gone thru
every trick and gimmick known to man, and the assistance I recieved from
some friends was the first time I have ever experienced explosive growth
on that level, and in such a short amount of time. So yeah, I eat a lot. I
know my training regimin could use a serious kick in the rear, but thats the
least of my worries. Anyway, thanks for the tips, I hope to hear more.

Corpse.

**Pinnacle** · 10-22-2005, 12:50 PM

So you eat 6 solid meals every day?Consistently on a weekly basis?

~Pinnacle~

**longhorn814** · 10-22-2005, 12:55 PM

Originally Posted by corpse1970

I need to eat. I do eat, we (a four member household 2 of which are under
the age of 7) are on the hook for a four hundred dollar a month grocery
bill, so I do eat, and eat a lot,
Corpse.

i spend more than that on food and I live by myself and am quite a concientious shopper too!

Do you know how many calories you eat everyday? How many cals come from protein, carbs, and fat? These are things you need to know.

www.fitday.com can help you track these things

**Lunacy** · 10-22-2005, 12:57 PM

No matter how much you think you eat a day you should count up all the cals you eat on an average day. Also, count up how many grams protein, carbs, fat you eat. Then we can see if you eat enough to gain weight. Also, since you are a hard gainer, you need more cals then the normal bodybuilder to gain weight since your metabolism is so high. Keep this in mind.

**oswaldosalcedo** · 10-22-2005, 01:00 PM

Originally Posted by corpse1970

Hey all, thanks for the help. Obviously, at the time I was on the gear, I understood the importance of diet. What I want to tell all those who say
I need to eat. I do eat, we (a four member household 2 of which are under
the age of 7) are on the hook for a four hundred dollar a month grocery
bill, so I do eat, and eat a lot, its just my present metabolism just does not
allow me to keep on any weight. Over the last fifteen yrs. I have gone thru
every trick and gimmick known to man, and the assistance I recieved from
some friends was the first time I have ever experienced explosive growth
on that level, and in such a short amount of time. So yeah, I eat a lot. I
know my training regimin could use a serious kick in the rear, but thats the
least of my worries. Anyway, thanks for the tips, I hope to hear more.

Corpse.

no men. you dont eat enough !
i eat a lot ! you not ! ..........lol...........
you have to eat 300 gr of protein. is a lot of food,is like 1 kg of meat
and for carbs, god ! you have to know,let me tell you.

**JiGGaMaN** · 10-22-2005, 01:12 PM

try to aim for a protein and carb packed meal every 2 hours, you shouldnt have any problems. and if you do, add more food.

**Knight1811** · 10-22-2005, 01:43 PM

Originally Posted by corpse1970

Hey all, thanks for the help. Obviously, at the time I was on the gear, I understood the importance of diet. What I want to tell all those who say
I need to eat. I do eat, we (a four member household 2 of which are under
the age of 7) are on the hook for a four hundred dollar a month grocery
bill, so I do eat, and eat a lot, its just my present metabolism just does not
allow me to keep on any weight. Over the last fifteen yrs. I have gone thru
every trick and gimmick known to man, and the assistance I recieved from
some friends was the first time I have ever experienced explosive growth
on that level, and in such a short amount of time. So yeah, I eat a lot. I
know my training regimin could use a serious kick in the rear, but thats the
least of my worries. Anyway, thanks for the tips, I hope to hear more.

Corpse.

I don't know exactly what you are eating, but to say you eat a lot and weigh in at 126 or even a whopping 140 at 5'10" is simply not adding up. As for metabolism...I know there are hard gainers but damn....i would assume that a solid 6 meals a day with high metabolism would mean great gains in lean mass.
I guess the the information most of us want to know is "what is your typical daily food consumption?" What are you typically eating on a daily basis...just write that out for us...to kick things off....hopefully your response is better than Tommy Maddox' throwing arm (the bastard!!). Sorry for the outburst...I'm still bitter about that loss. AND it is that SOB's(Maddox) fault.

Knight1811

**bradd5150** · 10-22-2005, 06:25 PM

Originally Posted by JiGGaMaN

...and besides, eating is delicious!

im sorry, i have to disagree. I mean I try to mix things up, but eating 3 chicken breasts, 3 cups of rice, a dozen or so egg whites, a couple cups of oatmeal, a couple protein bars and a serious protein shake pwo every day, I get tired of eating!

**Pinnacle** · 10-22-2005, 06:31 PM

Originally Posted by bradd5150

im sorry, i have to disagree. I mean I try to mix things up, but eating 3 chicken breasts, 3 cups of rice, a dozen or so egg whites, a couple cups of oatmeal, a couple protein bars and a serious protein shake pwo every day, I get tired of eating!

I'd starve to death on your diet.....seriously!!

~Pinnacle~

**topvega** · 10-22-2005, 06:52 PM

Originally Posted by JiGGaMaN

...and besides, eating is delicious!

eating used to be delicious... now it's a fuking chore...

bro i know where u r coming from. i weighed 130lbs in jan. of this year. i thought i ate alot, and didn't know why i cldn't gain weight. then i found this site and began reading. found the diet forum. from jan. till june i put on 35lbs with no gear, just lifting and eating. from june till now i have put on another 30lbs with gear, diet , and lifting. i weighed in 2day at 197 lbs so it can be done... but u have to have diet and training in order first. like pinn said u have to dedicate 100% effort into it and make it a lifestyle...

**Knight1811** · 10-22-2005, 07:17 PM

Originally Posted by topvega

eating used to be delicious... now it's a fuking chore...

bro i know where u r coming from. i weighed 130lbs in jan. of this year. i thought i ate alot, and didn't know why i cldn't gain weight. then i found this site and began reading. found the diet forum. from jan. till june i put on 35lbs with no gear, just lifting and eating. from june till now i have put on another 30lbs with gear, diet , and lifting. i weighed in 2day at 197 lbs so it can be done... but u have to have diet and training in order first. like pinn said u have to dedicate 100% effort into it and make it a lifestyle...

My hat goes off to you bro. 67 pounds in 10 months. What the f, over? That is tremendous. GREAT JOB. Honest. I'm not being a dip-shiat. I really think thats a job well well well done. Question: Were you always in the 130lbs range or did something happen and you(surgery or massive depression) dropped weigh?

Knight1811

**Darkness** · 10-22-2005, 07:19 PM

Having a good diet is harder than knowing how to lift and having a good traning routine. You just cant make omelets without eggs! Understand?

**topvega** · 10-22-2005, 07:30 PM

Originally Posted by Knight1811

My hat goes off to you bro. 67 pounds in 10 months. What the f, over? That is tremendous. GREAT JOB. Honest. I'm not being a dip-shiat. I really think thats a job well well well done. Question: Were you always in the 130lbs range or did something happen and you(surgery or massive depression) dropped weigh?

Knight1811

i was in the 140's.. then me and my soon to be ex-wife started having problems. i was deeply depressed actually went down to 120lbs for awhile. just wasn't eating, sick to my stomach, etc. started drinking heavy... then in january i had to make a choice. keep drinking and feel sorry for myself, or use the pain and anger to my benefit. i had lifted before for years but never seriously. so i joined a gym, lurked around here reading on the diet forum, and made a lifestyle change. didn't drink for months. i literally worked, ate, trained and slept.

not trying to hijack the thread... just thought i'd let him know it can be done, but it is a lifestyle thing... especially if u are older and don't have all that test running thru your body..

**oswaldosalcedo** · 10-22-2005, 07:36 PM

Originally Posted by bradd5150

im sorry, i have to disagree. I mean I try to mix things up, but eating 3 chicken breasts, 3 cups of rice, a dozen or so egg whites, a couple cups of oatmeal, a couple protein bars and a serious protein shake pwo every day, I get tired of eating!

not me !
i become a chef........lol.........
i have a lot of books.
men, eat shrimps,lamb,prawns,phessant,venison,with exotic spices etc ..lol..
or eat this one:

**Pinnacle** · 10-22-2005, 07:43 PM

Originally Posted by topvega

i was in the 140's.. then me and my soon to be ex-wife started having problems. i was deeply depressed actually went down to 120lbs for awhile. just wasn't eating, sick to my stomach, etc. started drinking heavy... then in january i had to make a choice. keep drinking and feel sorry for myself, or use the pain and anger to my benefit. i had lifted before for years but never seriously. so i joined a gym, lurked around here reading on the diet forum, and made a lifestyle change. didn't drink for months. i literally worked, ate, trained and slept.

..

EXCELLENT!!!!!!Big props to you Yankee Boy!!Congrats on the lifestyle change!

~Pinnacle~

**bradd5150** · 10-22-2005, 08:22 PM

Originally Posted by Pinnacle

I'd starve to death on your diet.....seriously!!

~Pinnacle~

well, thats not EVERYTHING, but just getting at my point, eating every 2.5hrs aint easy. btw, ive gone from 206lbs to 213lbs in the last two weeks so I must be eating enough for me. u must be one big mofo.

**mranak** · 10-22-2005, 09:22 PM

Originally Posted by corpse1970

Hey all, thanks for the help. Obviously, at the time I was on the gear, I understood the importance of diet. What I want to tell all those who say I need to eat. I do eat

Unless you have a wasting disease, I'm going to respectfully tell you that you don't eat enough. Eat enough, and I promise that you will gain weight.

If you are sure that I am wrong, then I ask you to please start a log of everything you eat and post it. Then slowly increase your caloric intake. Eventually, you will begin to gain weight.

Many inexpensive foods that can be used for bulking. Peanut butter, bread, rice, sweet potatoes, etc.

btw: those gains from your cycles were mostly water weight.

PS I was 145 lbs a year ago. Weighed in at 198 yesterday at the doctor's office.

**Slic4788** · 10-22-2005, 09:53 PM

"I EAT A LOT"

When I first started that's what I used to say, but then I added up my calories, and came out to be around 2300..

So you need to do 2 things
1)RECORD your calories, not just think "I eat a lot", shoot for 3.5-4k calories!
2)Split it up into 6-8 meals during the day.

**topvega** · 10-22-2005, 09:59 PM

right now i take in around 5000 cal a day... it is tuff. my job doesn't help.. winning the lottery sure wld help...

**grimnlock** · 10-23-2005, 12:18 AM

Dude... i weighed in at bout 88lbs when i 1st started gym.
I was literally smaller than many girls...
After 3~4yrs of training i went up to bout 140lbs all naturaly
Did loads of reading and research on AAS and only
considered it when i thought i was ready...
I did a 10week Sust250 cycle... managed to keep all 15lbs i gained
Btw i'm 5'6"... but yea... just go checkout the diet forum...
I used the clean bulk diet... really helped...
Now if i didn't get some food chucked down my throat
every 3hrs i would die of starvation....
Force feed ureself at 1st and sooner or later u'd
get usd to it...trust me on this... being 88lbs and
gainin 50lbs naturally wasn't easy but it feels great
once you've done it.
Basically eat eat eat every 3hrs and train smart
Good Luck