limp dick

**ZIA1** · 11-01-2005, 04:25 PM

We all know that "deca dick" can occur, especially with a cycle like Deca/winny...which I recently saw on this forum. However, does the same apply with Eq/Primobolan and Proviron for 13 weeks? I know the golden rule is test with any stack but if one is looking to stay lean and hard (aside from diet and cardio) it seems test can be left out. Can Eq and primo cause the limp or will proviron help with that?

**wolfyEVH** · 11-01-2005, 04:27 PM

Originally Posted by AIZ

We all know that "deca dick" can occur, especially with a cycle like Deca/winny...which I recently saw on this forum. However, does the same apply with Eq/Primobolan and Proviron for 13 weeks? I know the golden rule is test with any stack but if one is looking to stay lean and hard (aside from diet and cardio) it seems test can be left out. Can Eq and primo cause the limp or will proviron help with that?

so why can't you stay lean and hard WITH test???

and yes, its still quite possible w/ EQ and primo......I wouldnt risk it

**ZIA1** · 11-01-2005, 04:27 PM

Caught a thread that covered this already...just saw it...says EQ is unlikely to give you the limp: EQ= limp dick?

Does you agree?

**musclestack** · 11-01-2005, 04:28 PM

Well, unless you're Ross, I think that most members here will say that, yes, limp dick can occur with the stack you mentioned. Test is KING.

**ZIA1** · 11-01-2005, 04:30 PM

Originally Posted by wolfyEVH

so why can't you stay lean and hard WITH test???

and yes, its still quite possible w/ EQ and primo......I wouldnt risk it

You can, I know but will proviron help with this at all...being an androgen?

**3Vandoo** · 11-01-2005, 04:30 PM

you have proviron in your cycle
its a low androgen in some ways, it is used to help erectile dysfunction

**powerliftmike** · 11-01-2005, 04:31 PM

It can occur whenever not using test. EQ and primo are not nearly as suppressive as deca , and proviron provides DHT androgens so get you hard. I would drop primo and substitute test prop just to be safe.

**wolfyEVH** · 11-01-2005, 04:31 PM

Originally Posted by AIZ

You can, I know but will proviron help with this at all...being an androgen?

there is more to testosterone than just maintaining an erection

**ZIA1** · 11-01-2005, 04:32 PM

Originally Posted by powerliftmike

It can occur whenever not using test. EQ and primo are not nearly as suppressive as deca, and proviron provides DHT androgens so get you hard. I would drop primo and substitute test prop just to be safe.

Shit...not ED or EOD shots, right?

**ZIA1** · 11-01-2005, 04:34 PM

Originally Posted by wolfyEVH

there is more to testosterone than just maintaining an erection

I could care less if my drive goes through the roof...I'm married! I just don't want to be handicap, bro.

**chest6** · 11-01-2005, 04:37 PM

dont wanna risk it...you're sounding like ross

**ZIA1** · 11-01-2005, 04:40 PM

Originally Posted by chest6

dont wanna risk it...you're sounding like ross

Ross? I guess I'm not in the loop on this one...what's that?

**thejuiceisloose** · 11-01-2005, 04:41 PM

Originally Posted by AIZ

Ross? I guess I'm not in the loop on this one...what's that?

This loser that comes to this board stating that you dont need test in any cycle, etc. Total crap that flows out of his mouth and fingers.

**ZIA1** · 11-01-2005, 04:42 PM

Let's say, according to powerliftmike, and I drop the primo and use Eq and test prop...can the shots be every 3rd day (2x a week) or does it have to be admin more often? Also, instead of using nolva with prop...will proviron do the job?

**ZIA1** · 11-01-2005, 04:43 PM

Originally Posted by thejuiceisloose

This loser that comes to this board stating that you dont need test in any cycle, etc. Total crap that flows out of his mouth and fingers.

Ahh, ok. No, I realize the importance of test...I just don't feel like running it at 500/wk...not my thing. I like to stay nice and lean...if I can do that with Eq and Prop than great.

***Alex*** · 11-01-2005, 04:44 PM

Test ! Man ! Test!

**thejuiceisloose** · 11-01-2005, 04:47 PM

Originally Posted by AIZ

Ahh, ok. No, I realize the importance of test...I just don't feel like running it at 500/wk...not my thing. I like to stay nice and lean...if I can do that with Eq and Prop than great.

Test E or Cyp never made me increase my bf% actually it decreased. But that just my body

**ZIA1** · 11-01-2005, 04:51 PM

I guess it all depends on dose and diet. Like I said, 500mg of test for me is not gonna happen. I have Eq and I wouldn't mind stacking it with some test if I could keep the test to a min dosage...what would that be? I'm thinking 350 test and 300 Eq but I heard that 300 Eq is not enough

**Anabolic Ross** · 11-01-2005, 11:44 PM

NONSENSE!

Mild anabolics like Primo, EQ, and turinabol are NOT going to negatively affect your libido!

JUST IN CASE--Get some PROVIRON .

[R]

**cb25** · 11-01-2005, 11:46 PM

Originally Posted by AIZ

I guess it all depends on dose and diet. Like I said, 500mg of test for me is not gonna happen. I have Eq and I wouldn't mind stacking it with some test if I could keep the test to a min dosage...what would that be? I'm thinking 350 test and 300 Eq but I heard that 300 Eq is not enough

don't listen to ross.

you can do fine off of a low dose of test with little to no side effects -- 250-400mg of test/wk is fine.

that being said, the gains, and the subsequent bloat from test (even at 500 mg) is predominantly diet dependent. you can control a lot of it by keeping your diet in check, and by using anti-e's where appropriate.

**Anabolic Ross** · 11-01-2005, 11:49 PM

Originally Posted by cb25

don't listen to ross.

you can do fine off of a low dose of test with little to no side effects -- 250-400mg of test/wk is fine.

that being said, the gains, and the subsequent bloat from test (even at 500 mg) is predominantly diet dependent. you can control a lot of it by keeping your diet in check, and by using anti-e's where appropriate.

Why would you say this?

Stop being dangerous.

[R]

**cb25** · 11-01-2005, 11:52 PM

Originally Posted by Anabolic Ross

Why would you say this?

Stop being dangerous.

[R]

are you saying that the people on HRT/TRT (usually prescribed in doses of 100-200mg/week of TEST ENANTHATE ) are dangerous??

you may wish to ask them and their doctors how dangerous these low doses are?

**Anabolic Ross** · 11-01-2005, 11:54 PM

Why would you say "Don't listen to Ross"..?

That was my question.

AND YES, it is dangerous to reccomend ANY dosage of TEST rather than primo or Eq!

Other than that--you have SOUND advice.

Stick around brother.

**305GUY** · 11-01-2005, 11:58 PM

Originally Posted by Anabolic Ross

Why would you say this?

Stop being dangerous.

[R]

This post made me LOL

**cb25** · 11-02-2005, 12:02 AM

Originally Posted by Anabolic Ross

Why would you say "Don't listen to Ross"..?

That was my question.

AND YES, it is dangerous to reccomend ANY dosage of TEST rather than primo or Eq!

Other than that--you have SOUND advice.

Stick around brother.

like i said in my other post to you man, i don't mean to be a dick...but i am a bit frustrated with your methods to spreading your word -- that's why i said don't listen to ross. it could have been better worded.

and i stand by my recommendations of testosterone in appropriate and adequate doses.

seriously, Dr. Bhasin has done numerous studies on the safety and efficacy of testosterone enanthate -- i know of 2 off-hand that have been published in the New England Journal of Medicine (amongst other actual, peer-reviewed, scientific journals). i believe scientific evidence over anecdotal evidence most days of the week.

***Narkissos*** · 11-02-2005, 12:05 AM

Originally Posted by Anabolic Ross

Why would you say "Don't listen to Ross"..?

That was my question.

AND YES, it is dangerous to reccomend ANY dosage of TEST rather than primo or Eq!

Other than that--you have SOUND advice.

Stick around brother.

...*sigh*...

**chest6** · 11-02-2005, 12:38 AM

Lets start giving out EQ replacement therapy

**thejuiceisloose** · 11-02-2005, 03:00 PM

Originally Posted by chest6[B

]Lets start giving out EQ replacement therapy[/B]

good one

**boardhead** · 11-02-2005, 03:08 PM

i am currently in PCT from a 12 week 400mg/wk EQ only cycle....

NO SEXUAL SIDES AT ALL...NO ACNE.......NO DECREASED LIBIDO....INCREASED ENERGY...INCREASED SEX DRIVE