first cycle help

**mg316** · 11-02-2005, 11:39 AM

Hey whats up bros, I am planning my first cycle and I want to make sure I run the correct doses and length of time. My expectations are to gain lean mass, and get cut at the same time.

stats:
age 23
height 5"6"
weight 165lbs
lifting experience 8 years

wk 1-12 sustanon 250 @500 mg shots eod
wk 1-10 anavar @ 40mg ed
wk 1-18 nolvadex @ 20mg ed
wk 15-20 clomid@100 mg ed

please let me know if the doses need to be changed or the length of time
Thanks bros

**shortie** · 11-02-2005, 11:44 AM

I assume you mean sust @ 500mg/wk shot eod right? Put the var in at week four and run to wk fourteen so it times with your PCT, or run it all the way through. If you don't know if you are gyno prone I would drop the nolva to 10 mg ed if gyno signs show up it to 80 mg ed then taper down to a mangement dose. PCT appears a little long I would be interested in how that works for you-I hate clomid too much to go on it for 5 wks myself.

**eGGz** · 11-02-2005, 11:44 AM

That is 1750mg sust EW!

Here:

wk 1-12 sustanon @150 mg shots eod
wk 9-14 anavar @ 60mg ed
wk 1-14 nolvadex @ 10mg ed
wk 15-18 clomid@100 mg ed
wk 15-18 nolva@20 mg ed

**mg316** · 11-02-2005, 11:50 AM

Originally Posted by eGGz

That is 1750mg sust EW!

Here:

wk 1-12 sustanon @150 mg shots eod
wk 9-14 anavar @ 60mg ed
wk 1-14 nolvadex @ 10mg ed
wk 15-18 clomid@100 mg ed
wk 15-18 nolva@20 mg ed

what i meant was 500mg total for the week, but like you said 150mg shots eod

**BUYLONGTERM** · 11-02-2005, 11:52 AM

Well, to be honest, why not just run Test Enan or Cyp? Less shots, less painful, more stable blood levels?

**ultimate_beef** · 11-02-2005, 11:59 AM

I agree with using Test E or Cyp. I think Sus might be a little to potent for a first cycle. I would use Sus as 3rd or 4th cycle because of the 4 different compunds in it, might benefit you down the road so your body trys something new.

**mg316** · 11-02-2005, 12:00 PM

Originally Posted by buylongterm

Well, to be honest, why not just run Test Enan or Cyp? Less shots, less painful, more stable blood levels?

Is it easier to keep gains after a cycle of sustanon and slightly less side effects? That is what I read on overviews about sustanon.

**BUYLONGTERM** · 11-02-2005, 12:02 PM

Originally Posted by mg316

Is it easier to keep gains after a cycle of sustanon and slightly less side effects? That is what I read on overviews about sustanon.

NO. Remember, TEST is TEST!!!!!! IF anything, I think you would have more sides with Sust due to unstable blood levels (esters)

**shortie** · 11-02-2005, 12:02 PM

Originally Posted by mg316

Is it easier to keep gains after a cycle of sustanon and slightly less side effects? That is what I read on overviews about sustanon.

No sust is not better-cyp/e/prop and sust are all test, but the multi ester nature of sust requires more frequent injects and causes more sides IMO. Single ester test is always superior.

**mg316** · 11-02-2005, 12:05 PM

thanks for the info bros about the test I will switch to a single ester test for the reasons you have gave me.

**ultimate_beef** · 11-02-2005, 12:06 PM

Like i was saying. IMO sus should be used as a 3rd or 4th cycle because of the 4 different compounds in it, it will give your body something different to experience and wont give you the side effects because this is your first cycle. So maybe doing a Test Cyp or E once every week could be more tolerable and you would still see wicked gains.