tren or test as base

**GHO5T** · 11-02-2005, 05:15 PM

i was thinkin of doin an 8 week cycle containing tren as a base do i have to add test as well or can i go with tren as base and stack that with some others... ne info is good info

**shortie** · 11-02-2005, 05:17 PM

Tren needs test, it will shut you down very hard. Run it alongside test prop and you will get great lean results.

**GHO5T** · 11-02-2005, 05:28 PM

could i throw in dbol or abombs to get more mass out of the cycle

**shortie** · 11-02-2005, 05:31 PM

For a good mass cycle you could throw in either, but IMO if you haven't done them before I wouldn't add them now, Tren packs some of the worst sides you can get, and I think next to that would be abombs, so for a first experiment with both at once might be overwhelming.

**GHO5T** · 11-02-2005, 05:38 PM

thanks for the info... ill def keep that in mind, maybe for next cycle ill throw the dbols or abombs in there..... but as for dosages go what would u suggest...

**big N** · 11-02-2005, 05:40 PM

shortie is given ya some solid advice , dosages depends on ur cycle history .....

**shortie** · 11-02-2005, 05:42 PM

Well, I think the standard first step into the world of tren is a one of caution. First off, use Tren Ace, none of the fancier stuff that you may get offered, it all has longer half lives, and if you have trouble with it you want to get off, not wait two weeks. so like this:
wk 1-10 test prop 75 mg ed
wk 1-8 tren ace 50 mg ed(if after 2-3 weeks you feel no significant signs bump this to 75 mg ed) Wait 3 days and PCT.

If you are used to much higher test doseages use that as your guidline, just remember that 500 mg test prop =~600 mg Test E or Cyp

**GHO5T** · 11-02-2005, 05:45 PM

thanks for the advice shortie greatly appreciated... ill def research a bit more on tren b4 i use it n cycles.... i know the sides can put some stress on the body... i dont thnk tren is for me yet... as this is my 3rd cycle.... great advice tho bro thanks again....

**shortie** · 11-02-2005, 05:46 PM

For a third cycle, I would avoid it IMO. Good luck man

**big N** · 11-02-2005, 05:49 PM

actually shortie ur right u do get more with prop then test e or cyp , due teh weight of the ester in it self but about after 5 weeks or so , the long ester compounds create a overlap effect , so u actually get more . that why u hold more water on longer ester then short ester ..

**shortie** · 11-02-2005, 05:54 PM

I was doubted?????????? J/K

Actually that is one of the most common mistakes I see, not accounting for ester weight in gear doseage.

**vinny_vegas** · 12-15-2005, 05:57 AM

you can expect some serious bloat with tren .
i think some ppl are more susceptable to the water retention than others.
im one of those ppl who carries a lot of weight in his face and when i'm on tren it becomes even more obvious. it boils down to what you are willing to put up with. the first time you do tren should be fantastic but be prepared for the sides.

**MASTER** · 12-15-2005, 06:14 AM

Originally Posted by vinny_vegas

you can expect some serious bloat with tren .
i think some ppl are more susceptable to the water retention than others.
im one of those ppl who carries a lot of weight in his face and when i'm on tren it becomes even more obvious. it boils down to what you are willing to put up with. the first time you do tren should be fantastic but be prepared for the sides.

Really? i personally get no bloat whatsoever when using it.

**STEVO 47** · 12-15-2005, 06:49 AM

Bloat with tren ?

**longhorn814** · 12-15-2005, 06:55 AM

tren bloat? thats a new one.........

**TUnit** · 12-15-2005, 11:11 PM

Originally Posted by vinny_vegas

you can expect some serious bloat with tren .
i think some ppl are more susceptable to the water retention than others.
im one of those ppl who carries a lot of weight in his face and when i'm on tren it becomes even more obvious. it boils down to what you are willing to put up with. the first time you do tren should be fantastic but be prepared for the sides.

It bloated me to. Everyone responds differently. Just be careful running the tren. I just finished a cycle running test and tren and I loved it but I don't think I will do it again. It shut me down during cycle a lil bit and after even more.

**D.Rod 004** · 12-16-2005, 01:28 PM

I run tren only, with LR3 sometimes. Test gives me gyno. Once you have had it, you dont really want to risk it. Tren stacks size on me alone! Great results.

**STEVO 47** · 12-16-2005, 02:50 PM

Originally Posted by TUnit

It bloated me to. Everyone responds differently. Just be careful running the tren. I just finished a cycle running test and tren and I loved it but I don't think I will do it again. It shut me down during cycle a lil bit and after even more.

Really ? I haven't tried it yet and I hear that it is a cutter too, that's
why I was a little shocked to here about the bloat. I am about to try
a round of it hopefully I'll fall in that category where it dosen't.

**Tren Bull** · 12-16-2005, 03:06 PM

from my understanding of tren , water bloat is very rare, honestly i have never heard of it doing this until i read this thread. tren never bloated me up, but then again, dbol deca and test e together didn't really cause much water retention either.

**vinny_vegas** · 12-16-2005, 08:53 PM

like i said, i think some ppl are more susceptable to water retention than others. I'm one of those people

I too have run Tren & Test and i thought the results were great. It didn't shut me down but it gave me Peter North sized loads, if you know what i mean.

**TUnit** · 12-16-2005, 10:05 PM

well i think its because im very prone to bloating. you should see me on enanthate , i look like a damn balloon. tren is good shit, just not worth it with all the sides IMO