My January Cycle... Your Thoughts Please...

[Dave321]

I am going to be running a 12 weeker in January... what are your thoughts?
Please advise any more supplements that I will need...

My Current Stats:
5'11
189lbs
9-10%bf

Goal:
195-200lbs After PCT
8-9%bf
6' (if possible)

My Cycle

Week 1-12 Test Prop - 800mg/week or 115mg/day
Week 1-10 Tren - 420mg/week or 60mg/day
Week 6-12 Winstrol - 350mg/week or 50mg/day

Running through cycle:
Nolva @ 20mg/day (may choose Letro instead, not sure)
glucosamine
T3

P.C.T.
Clomid
Nolva
Clen

Supplements:
Milk Thistle 200mg/day
Vit B6 200mg/day
Multivitamen

What would you change?

[hosam4ever]

good cycle man wish u best of luck but with such a cutting cycle 10 mg nolva is enough

[Dave321]

good cycle man wish u best of luck but with such a cutting cycle 10 mg nolva is enough

I'm gyno prone, and just want to make sure the juice doesn't make a lady outa me!

[MatrixGuy]

I would use letro to help keep any water retention to an absolute minimum. Also helps with the cutting process IMO. Will also help if there is any progest side effects from the tren. I would use .25mg ED and see how that works.

Have you used tren before brutha?

[Dave321]

I would use letro to help keep any water retention to an absolute minimum. Also helps with the cutting process IMO. Will also help if there is any progest side effects from the tren. I would use .25mg ED and see how that works.

Have you used tren before brutha?

thx dood... and yes, I've used it before. And, I will most likely use the letro

[en1222]

Throw in some cranberry extract to protect your kidneys because tren is hard on your kidneys..

You could also run aromasin instead of letro.. It is supposed to be better on your cholesterol levels and libido

[MatrixGuy]

Throw in some cranberry extract to protect your kidneys because tren is hard on your kidneys..

You could also run aromasin instead of letro.. It is supposed to be better on your cholesterol levels and libido

Thats a good choice.

[tonytone]

t3 is def necessary with the tren, but watch out..im taking t3 for the first time now, and it makes me super lethargic..i dont really experience that many sides from anything, but the t3 is doing a number on me...forget trying to stay awake in class right after throwing down a meal....and if i have been at home relaxing for a while, it's hard to get motivated to do things i usually like, such as going out...but i always have enough energy for my gym time

[MatrixGuy]

thx dood... and yes, I've used it before. And, I will most likely use the letro

What dose of tren did you use last time?

[alluprbdy]

I'd raise the milk thistle dose 200mg ed is low especially for tren. I'm on prop/tren right now runnning 1200mgs of NAC ed and if I was running milk thistle it'd be 1000mg

[Booz]

good cycle justin but i would run the winny 3 days past the prop,props active life is 3 days mate so run the winny 3 days past and everythin will line up for pct cushty!

[Dave321]

t3 is def necessary with the tren, but watch out..im taking t3 for the first time now, and it makes me super lethargic..i dont really experience that many sides from anything, but the t3 is doing a number on me...forget trying to stay awake in class right after throwing down a meal....and if i have been at home relaxing for a while, it's hard to get motivated to do things i usually like, such as going out...but i always have enough energy for my gym time

I hear ya... t3 does a number on me as well... thanks t!

[Dave321]

What dose of tren did you use last time?

hey matrix... I ran 50mg/ed... but it was a half ass cycle... had to stop half way through for a number of reasons... doing this one right.

[Dave321]

I'd raise the milk thistle dose 200mg ed is low especially for tren. I'm on prop/tren right now runnning 1200mgs of NAC ed and if I was running milk thistle it'd be 1000mg

good stuff.... I was wondering about the mt. as well... I will be raising the dose.

[Dave321]

good cycle justin but i would run the winny 3 days past the prop,props active life is 3 days mate so run the winny 3 days past and everythin will line up for pct cushty!

word! I got that, forgot to write it down... but thanks booz... nice avy by the way brotha.

[Dave321]

My Diet and Routine

Pro/Carb
6egg whites = 21gPro, 0gCarb, 0gFat, might up to 8
20 gm of whey = 20gPro, 2gFat, 3gCarb,
½ cup oats = 27gCarb, 6gPro, 2.5gFat, might increase by ¼ cup
47gPro, 4.5gFat, 30gCarb, = 348Cal

Pro/Fat
1 cans (6.5oz Cans) of tuna = 41gPro, 1gFat, 0Carb, 195cal Rep w/ 5-7oz of any lean meat
2.5oz Celery = 1gCarb, .2gPro, .03gfat, 10cal or 1/2cup any veggie asparagus/greenbeans etc
1tbl flax = 14gFat, 0gCarb, 0gPro, 120cal
41gPro, 15.3gFat, 1gCcarb = 301cal

Pro/Fat
5oz of chicken(Baked or grilled, skinless) = 44gPro, 5.4gFat, 0Carb, 226cal
1cup Romaine lettuce = 1.3carbs, 8cal can add cucumbers and a hardboiled egg to salad
tbl of olive oil on salad = 13.5gFat, 0gCarb, 0gPro, 119cal (can replace w/ flax)
44gPro, 18.9gFat, 1.3carbs = 351 cal

Pro/Carb
40g of whey = 40gPro, 4gfat, 6gcarb, 196cal-i would add 6tbls of pasteurized eggwhites as well
½ cup oats (blended) mix w/ shake 27gCarb, 6gPro, 2.5gFat, 155cal
46gPro, 6.5gFat, 33gCarb = 374 cal

Pro/Fat
1 cans (6.5oz Cans) of tuna = 41gPro, 1gFat, 0Carb, 195cal or any meat i.e.Steak/prkchop/chkn
2.5oz Celery = 1gCarb, .2gPro, .03gfat, 10cal or 1/2cup any veggie asspargus/greenbeans etc
1tbl flax = 14gFat, 0gCarb, 0gPro, 120cal
41gPro, 15.3gFat, 1gCcarb = 341cal

Pro/Carb
Lean Meat i.e. 5oz Turkey breast = 43gPro, 0carb, 2gFat = 194cal
3/4cup brown rice cooked = 1gFat, 34gCarb, 4gPro = 162cal
.5cup asparagus = 0gFat, 2gPro, 4gCarb = 22cal
47gPro, 38gCarb, 3gFat = 378 cal



TRAINING ussually a hr
PWO
DRINK IMMEDIATELY AFTER FINISHING WORK OUT
(two big scoops)46gPro whey
(two big scoops)98gDextrose
(on non lift days replace PWO and PPWO w/ a pro/fat meals from above)

PPWO 1hr after shake
Lean Meat i.e. 5oz Turkey breast = 43gPro, 0carb, 2gFat = 194cal
1cup (cooked) brown rice = 2gFat, 2gPro, 45gCarb, 216cal
if this does not seem to stop pwo hunger add 1/2cup fatfree cottage cheese
45gPro, 4gFat, 45gCarb = 410cal

Routine

Day 1) Legs (hams/quads)
Day 2) Off (30 cardio for active recovery)
Day 3) Chest/Shoulders
Day 4) Back/Deadlifts/Traps
Day 5) Off (30 cardio for active recovery)
Day 6) Biceps/Triceps/Calves

[Booz]

word! I got that, forgot to write it down... but thanks booz... nice avy by the way brotha.

ta!!
your the man JS!!

[SpiderRico]

nice cycle keep us updated i want to run a similar cycle soon but i want to get a few more cycles under my belt before i mess with tren

[Dave321]

bump for tai..

[MatrixGuy]

Bump.

[taiboxa]

My Cycle

Week 1-14 Test Prop - 800mg/week or 115mg/day
Week 1-10 Tren - 420mg/week or 60mg/day
Week 8-14 Winstrol - 350mg/week or 50mg/day
SLIN
Running through cycle:
Nolva @ 20mg/daySave Nolva for PCT (may choose Letro 1.25mg E3D stop 4 days out from pct wait 2 days and start using L-Dex instead, not sure)
glucosamine
T3

P.C.T.
Clomid
Nolva
Clen
L-Dex

Supplements:
Milk Thistle 200mg/day GET LIV 52 for the WIN!
Vit B6 200mg/day
Multivitamen

What would you change?

aww just like i helped u w/ that last one..

u aint gonna **** this one up are u?

[Dave321]

aww just like i helped u w/ that last one..

u aint gonna **** this one up are u?

sweeeet... thx dude... an NO I'm not gonna fuk this one up... no dropping vials of tren this time either!

[dragon69]

justin/tony I would like to interject quickly, you guys both mentioned that T3 made you lethargic. Did that subside with time or just continue the whole way through for you?
I hate lethargy and will avoid it at all costs, so your answer is important here. PM me if you want.

[Dave321]

justin/tony I would like to interject quickly, you guys both mentioned that T3 made you lethargic. Did that subside with time or just continue the whole way through for you?
I hate lethargy and will avoid it at all costs, so your answer is important here. PM me if you want.

it lasted the whole day for me, and the following day even if I was off... it's all how your body reacts, but mine was exhauted WITH clen in my system as well.

[NotSmall]

I am going to be running a 12 weeker in January... what are your thoughts?

Sorry dude, I gotta be honest - I don't think you can fit a 12 weeker into January, there's only just over 4 weeks in the whole month, time for a rethink!

[Dave321]

Sorry dude, I gotta be honest - I don't think you can fit a 12 weeker into January, there's only just over 4 weeks in the whole month, time for a rethink!

ahhhhhhhhh shiet!!! ziiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiing!

[Pinnacle]

Not much else to say about your cycle except.....GOOD LUCK!



~Pinnacle~

[Dave321]

Not much else to say about your cycle except.....GOOD LUCK!



~Pinnacle~

thanks pinn... just a question... was that sarcasm!?!?

[dragon69]

it lasted the whole day for me, and the following day even if I was off... it's all how your body reacts, but mine was exhauted WITH clen in my system as well.

nah I meant if it lasted the whole time you where on T3 or if it subsided after like a week or 2.

[Dave321]

nah I meant if it lasted the whole time you where on T3 or if it subsided after like a week or 2.

ahhh... actually, it did subside, but occasionally reoccured... I was fine with it, it didn't bother me TOO much... but will make you feel a little more lethargic than normal....especially with tren!

[longhorn814]

Week 1-12 Test Prop - 800mg/week or 115mg/day
Week 1-10 Tren - 420mg/week or 60mg/day
Week 6-12 Winstrol - 350mg/week or 50mg/day

Running through cycle:
Nolva @ 20mg/day (may choose Letro instead, not sure)
glucosamine
T3

P.C.T.
Clomid
Nolva
Clen

Supplements:
Milk Thistle 200mg/day
Vit B6 200mg/day
Multivitamen

What would you change?

Im gonna do something similar at the beginning of the year too, except Im gonna try masteron instead of winny. Im trying to stay away from 17aa's this time. Im also gonna do 80mcg IGF for the first 4 weeks too

[Dave321]

Im gonna do something similar at the beginning of the year too, except Im gonna try masteron instead of winny. Im trying to stay away from 17aa's this time. Im also gonna do 80mcg IGF for the first 4 weeks too

good luck brotha!!!

[Pinnacle]

thanks pinn... just a question... was that sarcasm!?!?

HAHA..not in this case bro. I really meant that..REALLY!


~Pinnacle~

[jnx3k]

I hear ya... t3 does a number on me as well... thanks t!

Nice cycle. Just wondering though, how much t3 are you taking that you are getting that lethargic? Everything I see suggest's taking it at 25mcg/ed. Are you taking more than this, or is that dose over time that is making you lethargic? Just curious.

[chest6]

Very nice..let us know how it goes..seems like you have got everything covered

[dragon69]

ahhh... actually, it did subside, but occasionally reoccured... I was fine with it, it didn't bother me TOO much... but will make you feel a little more lethargic than normal....especially with tren!

especially with tren.....shit!
Taking 50mg ED

[stocky121]

look's like a good cycle to me bro i would up the tren a bit but that's just me

just make sure your gettin enough protein from the meatstick

[Dave321]

look's like a good cycle to me bro i would up the tren a bit but that's just me

just make sure your gettin enough protein from the meatstick

[fred9]

Nice cycle. Just wondering though, how much t3 are you taking that you are getting that lethargic? Everything I see suggest's taking it at 25mcg/ed. Are you taking more than this, or is that dose over time that is making you lethargic? Just curious.

yeah wondering the same thing...im dont get really lethargic from T3 even @ 150mcg...u sure it isnt the tren whats causing that?...tren ****s up my sleep, so im a zombie the whole day..
but the cycle looks really nice, last few cycles were almost the same for me..

[testosterona]

that's a well thought out cycle. great meal plan and workout rooutine. awesome bro, keep us posted. i'm sure this one will be a success!