Limited Gear

[anabolicvenom]

my gear is kinda limited with 10weeks of TEST E @ 500mg and enough deca and dbol what combo should i go for??? and yes i have pct

[soldier21]

you should run the test at least 13 weeks because Deca needs to be run 12 weeks for you to get everything out of it properly. Exactly what do you have?

[anabolicvenom]

20 weeks of deca @300mg
enough dbol
10 weeks of E @ 500mg
then nolva and clomid

[anabolicvenom]

i wanted to run test for 12 but im low on $

[shortie]

Will you be able to get some green together during the 10 wks you have? If so, start your Test E as planned and buy some more as soon as you get the money, or better yet, hold off a bit longer and have all the gear you need ready. Anyhow, I wouldn't recommend running the deca with it unless you could run the deca for at least 12 wks, and you don't want to run deca without Test.

[anabolicvenom]

the Test for how long????? 13 weeks and deca 12weeks

[shortie]

Yeah, run the test past the deca at least a week, I prefer two myself.

[anabolicvenom]

alright thanks shortie

[NYC BIG MIKE]

Why are you guys advocating minimum 12 weeks deca ? It's a synergistic drug, takes on properties of test well. Run a 10 week cycle. Or wean on and wean off of cycle to stretch it to 12 if you like.

[anabolicvenom]

what do you mean big mike???

[NYC BIG MIKE]

Weaning on means go on the first week at a lower dose, then go to full cycle and then lower dose the last week. It's called weaning.

[shortie]

I advocate 12 weeks minimum due to the long acting ester of the steroid it takes several weeks to feel it kick in and experience good gains(I.E. long enough for enough gear to de-ester for positive results). You can run it 10 weeks, hell you can run it 2 wks, but should you, when will you see the most benefits, for myself and many users that has been in cycles run longer than 12 wks. And yes, it is synergistic, I wouldn't run it without test myself, but I wouldn't run it shorter than 12 weeks for my money.

[anabolicvenom]

well shit i dont know what to do now????? i should just buy more E

[NYC BIG MIKE]

To each his own. Not knocking it but I've seen many cycles that would be contrary to your beliefs simply due to the synergistic effects. Whatever works, right?

[shortie]

If you don't have enough Test to run the full cycle with deca , don't run the deca just do the test-if you run out of test in 9 weeks and you are on test only, no big deal just PCT and call it a deal. But if you have deca thrown in there you really need to be able to run the test past the deca for at least a week. Best bet, save up some green and buy the rest of what you need, then cycle.

[anabolicvenom]

ok lets say i wean it or whatever. what doses would i do ??????

[shortie]

To each his own. Not knocking it but I've seen many cycles that would be contrary to your beliefs simply due to the synergistic effects. Whatever works, right?

This is true, I have done a lot of stuff I would never recommend to anyone-and some of it actually worked. lol

[anabolicvenom]

what about test 10 weeks @500mg and dbol 30mg for 4 weeks
save the deca for the next cycle

[NYC BIG MIKE]

well shit i dont know what to do now????? i should just buy more E

That's the problem when you are new to all of this and you ask advice. You will get advice from different schools of thought. Both potentially valid too. And then the inevitable "I did one cycle I know everything" advice. More test would definately solve the problem. Good luck.

[NYC BIG MIKE]

what about test 10 weeks @500mg and dbol 30mg for 4 weeks
save the deca for the next cycle

Test is so much better with deca .

[NYC BIG MIKE]

I'm telling you, wean on and off. That's the answer.

[anabolicvenom]

alright thanks BIG MIKE

[NYC BIG MIKE]

[shortie]

I like it, now that I think about it a bit. Just run your first 2 wks at 250mg test and your last two weeks at 250 mg test, this will give you enough to run your deca for 12 weeks and test at 13-14 wks, and allow you to not run the deca without test. I like it, if you can't wait for more test, this is the way to go-good look mike.

[anabolicvenom]

what about sides????

[NYC BIG MIKE]

Everybodies happy now.

[anabolicvenom]

running the deca higher then test in those 4 weeks is that ok??????

[NYC BIG MIKE]

running the deca higher then test in those 4 weeks is that ok??????

As a rule of thumb, run deca lower. Wean on with deca as well.

[anabolicvenom]

Everybodies happy now.

[shortie]

running the deca higher then test in those 4 weeks is that ok??????

It is not preferred, but will work so long as you have at least a replacement dose of test in your system.

[anabolicvenom]

alright so, when on test @250mg how much for deca ???
and when on 500mg test how much for deca

[anabolicvenom]

200mg
400mg

[shortie]

Personally I would run the deca at 400 mg throughout the whole deal.

[anabolicvenom]

alright that sounds good to me

[anabolicvenom]

how much weight do u think i should gain off of this cycle

[anabolicvenom]

10-15 with good eating and proper training

[NYC BIG MIKE]

how much weight do u think i should gain off of this cycle

That depends on several variables. Namely................solid workout regimen, proper recovery, good eating habits, sleep, etc,.

[anabolicvenom]

Alright thanks 4 your help bros