O.K. I think Ive got it this time!

**jammergsxr** · 05-13-2002, 10:51 PM

I think this will be cool for my first plunge
weeks 1-10 400mgs. EQ
weeks 1-8 250mgs. t200
weeks 4-10 50mgs winnytabs E.D.
2 weeks after last eq injection 100mgs clomid E.D. first week
50mgs the next
nolvedex on hand.
5'11-6'0
185pds.12-14 %B.F.
looking to gain 10-20 lean,mean,ripped pounds!

**PaPaPumP** · 05-13-2002, 10:54 PM

Looks excellent, just one question..how are you going to run T200 at 250??? that's like 1.25 ccs... kinda awkward. 400 of t200 which is already supposedly underdosed will NOT be too much.

Also run the winny from 6-12 so you can start clomid 3 days out.

Should get you to 200+ for sure.

**Tapout** · 05-13-2002, 10:58 PM

papapump i was going to ask the same thing --250?
do 400mg per week it is bare minimum--you will like the results better
you have done some good homework everything else looks fine
clomid day 1 at 300mg

**jammergsxr** · 05-13-2002, 11:09 PM

Well I kinda figured it 1cc Eq and 3quarter test ....200mgEq and 150mgs test in one dart on mon.....Then 1cc Eq and 1halfcc test........200mgsEq and 100cc test in one dart on fri.
I'll make it 300 mgs.clomid to kick it in on day one(thanks tap out)
And I'll go 6-12 on the winny(thanks papa pump)
I know the test is low but its for the labido
I dont wanna bulk and I figure being I'm fresh and virgin and innocent and ...you get the idea,250 weekly should be cool.
or should I just use 200mgs for 10 weeks to make it easier?

**Tapout** · 05-13-2002, 11:45 PM

200 or 300 for easy
good luck

**jammergsxr** · 05-15-2002, 11:32 AM

O.K. since there been a change in supply,s I,ve decided to go 400mgs. of test enanth.Quick question though...
I can get human grade of the Eq and Test.
will this be stronger or just safer?
will 14 tabs of nolvedex be enough for gyno symptoms?
Whats the real odds of gyno showing up?
How many of you have had this happen?
Thanks for your input!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!

BUMP

**jammergsxr** · 05-15-2002, 11:35 AM

Hate to do this....Mixing 1ccEq and 1cctest in one shot twice a week..............PAIN factor on a scale of 1-10.just wanna know what to expect.Sorry to bother you guys with all the lame Questions I,m just pumped to the bone to start this!!!

**Iwan2bsolid2** · 05-15-2002, 01:36 PM

I always mixed mine no more pain, actually less- while mixing my SUS with EQ. And you should at least wait 3 weeks after last shot of EQ till you start Clomid therapy. OH and BTW- there is no human grade of EQ- it's a veteranery steroid for horses. EQIUP- horse. But get the human Enth. Good luck, keep us posted.

SOLID

**Tapout** · 05-15-2002, 10:58 PM

human test will probably not be under dosed as mex stuff

**Ajax** · 05-15-2002, 11:56 PM

Originally posted by jammergsxr
I think this will be cool for my first plunge
weeks 1-10 400mgs. EQ
weeks 1-8 250mgs. t200
weeks 4-10 50mgs winnytabs E.D.
2 weeks after last eq injection 100mgs clomid E.D. first week
50mgs the next
nolvedex on hand.
5'11-6'0
185pds.12-14 %B.F.
looking to gain 10-20 lean,mean,ripped pounds!

Let me picck at this one a bit:

weeks 1-10 400mgs. EQ
weeks 1-11 250mgs. t200
weeks 7-13 50mgs winny tabs ED

OK, I changed the length of the Test. and the time frame of the winny.

Why?

EQ takes 17-21 days to metabolize out of the system; it metabolizes slower than Test. En./Cyp. If you shop the test. at week 8, it means that you will have no Test. for three weeks before you start Clomid. Not a big problem, but I would prefer to not be in that situation.

Winny weeks 7-13 for the same reason: run the winny right up until you start the Clomid.

Clomid starting week 14.

I realize that might mean buying another bottle of TY200, but that would also give you some insurance against running out if you draw a bit too much or the bottles are under-filled.

Just my two-cents.

Originally posted by PaPaPumP
Looks excellent, just one question..how are you going to run T200 at 250??? that's like 1.25 ccs... kinda awkward

Why awkward? It's just a different line on the syringe--no harder than hitting the 1cc mark!

**PaPaPumP** · 05-16-2002, 12:04 AM

Originally posted by Ajax

Why awkward? It's just a different line on the syringe--no harder than hitting the 1cc mark!

You're already shooting about 1.2ccs for every cc that you pull up, you can't forget what is in the pin..That is IF you pull up to the 1cc mark.

It was just my opinion on the matter, looking at those tiny little lines are hard, especially when the part of the plunger that is in the syringe that is where you measure your oils, isn't completely straight, sort of a semi-curved effect. So you can never be too sure of what you are pulling up, hence the 1 or 2cc pull up. If you're pulling up to 1.25, you're almost shooting 1.5.

just my 2 cents.

Cycle will be good gixxer..good luck.

**jammergsxr** · 05-16-2002, 12:16 AM

Damn this is good stuff guys!I changed it to 400 mgs of test now so this should help things!So If I did this by what ajax says could I run it like this?
weeks 1-10 Eq 400mgs
weeks 2-11 Enanth 400mgs
weeks 7-13 clomid 50mgs E.D.
start clomid day after last winny tab.

If Gyno does appear(god I hope not)How should I run the nolvedex?
Do I continue the cycle or do you have to stop?

**Lush** · 05-16-2002, 12:18 AM

jammer-

Good cycle i think - and I' know you've done your research so i won't say too much- but I gotta go with Ajax. Run the t200 fro at least a week longer than the Eq. Eq has an even longer ester than deca - so that shit takes a while to clear out.

And I'd say 400+mg of test- but you said your trying to stay lean, so 250 is cool unless you're running liquidex also. i don't know how you'll react but i bloat alot on test.

And have fun with the eq-ggod shit. You'll meet new veins all over your body you didn't even know you had.

**jammergsxr** · 05-16-2002, 12:19 AM

Awsome I cant wait!!!

**PaPaPumP** · 05-16-2002, 01:37 AM

Run nolva at 40mg until symtoms subside, shouldn't take more than 3 days, in my experiences at least. Took less than 24 hours from the start to work.
After the symptoms dissapear, take 10mg for the rest of the cycle THRU clomid therapy, as rebound estrogen can cause gyno as your body's own hormones are trying to get back online.

You're set bro, go get em.

**jammergsxr** · 05-16-2002, 08:44 AM

Off I go!

**Ajax** · 05-17-2002, 04:50 AM

Originally posted by PaPaPumP
After the symptoms dissapear, take 10mg for the rest of the cycle THRU clomid therapy, as rebound estrogen can cause gyno as your body's own hormones are trying to get back online.

Do you have to run it through the Clomid? Since Clomid is a weak anti-estrogen itself, wont that preclude havign to run Nolvadex during the Clomid therapy?

I am not questioning the logic--I just want to see if anybody has an opinion on that topic.