My First Cycle - Input please

[santacruz05]

Hi, I got kinda screwed over by a dealer. Technically I don't think he intended on screwing me over, I think he knows nothing about what he deals. Reasons:

He doesnt believe in Nolvadex (or anytihng similar) to be used during cycle
He doesnt use PCT
He doesn't use B6
He told me doing 3CC on my first shot is fine
He didnt tell me that PROP HURTS!!!!!!

Here is what I originally got:

10ml Deca 200mg/ml
10ml Testoviron 150mg/ml
10ml Prop 100mg/ml
Lots of Nolvadex
Lots of Needles

350$ (Canadian)

Then I did some research and discovered that this is a pretty shit cycle, so I want to make the best of it. I can go back and buy anything so here is what i think im gonna do:

go back and buy 10ml Enanthate 200mg/ml (another 100$)

the cycle is as follows:

1cc Prop every 4 days (week 1 - 5)
1cc Testoviron every 4 days (STAGGERED WITH THE PROP, SO THEY DONT OVERLAP) (week 1 - 5)
1cc Deca / week (week 1 - 10)
1cc Enanthate 2xweek (week 6 - 10)

Nolva all the way thru and after.

Good?? I took into account that the Testoviron has 75 mg of prop which will support EOD prop injections and the Enanthate will slowly build up till half way into the cycle when it gets jacked up high.

Thanks for the input... this board has done me SOOO much good, id be a mess with this cycle without u guys

[Pinnacle]

I don't like testoviron .Secondly,200 mgs weekly of Deca won't do much for you(except lube up the joints).

What's you cycle history and stats?

~Pinnacle~

[shortie]

Hi, I got kinda screwed over by a dealer. Technically I don't think he intended on screwing me over, I think he knows nothing about what he deals. Reasons:

He doesnt believe in Nolvadex (or anytihng similar) to be used during cycle
He doesnt use PCT
He doesn't use B6
He told me doing 3CC on my first shot is fine
He didnt tell me that PROP HURTS!!!!!!

Here is what I originally got:

10ml Deca 200mg/ml
10ml Testoviron 150mg/ml
10ml Prop 100mg/ml
Lots of Nolvadex
Lots of Needles

350$ (Canadian)

Then I did some research and discovered that this is a pretty shit cycle, so I want to make the best of it. I can go back and buy anything so here is what i think im gonna do:

go back and buy 10ml Enanthate 200mg/ml (another 100$)

the cycle is as follows:

1cc Prop every 4 days (week 1 - 5)
1cc Testoviron every 4 days (STAGGERED WITH THE PROP, SO THEY DONT OVERLAP) (week 1 - 5)
1cc Deca / week (week 1 - 10)What dose is this gear, IMO you should run at least 400 mg/wk
1cc Enanthate 2xweek (week 6 - 10)

Nolva all the way thru and after.I personally don't like to use any ancilarries unless needed, JMO

Good?? I took into account that the Testoviron has 75 mg of prop which will support EOD prop injections and the Enanthate will slowly build up till half way into the cycle when it gets jacked up high.

Thanks for the input... this board has done me SOOO much good, id be a mess with this cycle without u guys

Mostly looks good, I just tweaked a few things.

[IBdmfkr]

Also look at your days inbetween Prop shots. Every 4 days is too far inbetween. Try EOD or E3D at the least. JMO.

opps, shortie beat me to it. What he said. Run test enanthate from day one.

[santacruz05]

Its my FIRST cycle.

And... I cant afford another DECa , the bastard charges 150 / deca 10ml (im in my grad year and very poor)

And the prop IS EOD, i think you guys missed the point of staggering the TESTOVIRON and the PROP, they both have prop in them, so if i stagger them in shoot them every 4 days for the first 4 or 5 weeks, its like im doing prop shots every other day, whilst still slowly (i think) build up Enanthate int he blood.

[shortie]

IF you can't afford more deca I would simply toss it in the closet and save it for next go round. First cycle should be Test only IMO anyhow. Would still only run the prop with it to frontload for the first 4 wks anyhow.

[IBdmfkr]

I gotcha, Might still want to bump Deca up to 300-400mg/wk and just put a bit of money aside for another bottle in a few weeks. But don't screw yourself and then not beable to get one if you go this route. Looks good other than that, like shortie said, keep the nolva on hand but only use it if you notice too much water retention of gyno sides. Goodluck.

[shortie]

And to be real honest, while I have used E/Cyp/Prop and PP- I have never used Testoviron , always thought it was just another name for Test E-Looked it up though and see that it does have some prop in it, so your injection frequency seems right to me.

[santacruz05]

Ok If yuo guys think I should put aside the DECA I will. In the NOVICE cycles portion of AnabolicReview.com it says 200-400mg/deca/week for your first cycle is sufficient. Is that inacurate?

[IBdmfkr]

I would not go by those recommendation on Anabolicreview.com, They need serious updating.

[shortie]

I would not go by those recommendation on Anabolicreview.com, They need serious updating.

Big Bump on this-they have seriously goofy shiat in some of them.IMO

[santacruz05]

Ok So im taking out the DECA and buying another ENANTHATE
Thanks for the help guys! Without you guys Id be poking my ass with 3cc's a week and it having no affect.

The idiot said to do 1 prop a week too, lol.

Also one last question, Prop hurt a lot. Can I still prick even tho my ass is still a little sore and swollen?

[IBdmfkr]

We got that you are getting ripped on the enanthate on the first post. Don't keep posting it, seems more like fishing for a source.

[santacruz05]

Negative, I don't trust anyone online.

[IBdmfkr]

100 sux but it could've been worse. Keep us updated on the cycle. goodluck.

[Pinnacle]

Can I still prick even tho my ass is still a little sore and swollen?

You need to rotate injection sites.You'll risk abcess if you hit sites without letting the oil/gear clear out sufficiently.


~Pinnacle~

[IBdmfkr]

Negative, I don't trust anyone online.

You are trusting our advice. Sorry had to be a smartass.

[santacruz05]

I rotate butt cheeks. I dont even wanna go near my shoulder with prop. Does the pain DIE down eventually? Cause it takes me 3 days to recover from my first 2 prop shots on each ass cheeck.