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12-08-2005, 09:42 AM #1AR's Midget Beater
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For those who've ran EQ & Deca Together
I'm curious as to what you thought about it and what gains you saw from it instead of just running one over the other. Obviously Test is thrown into the mix. I saw Zapp's thread and he's running something similar to what I want to run. Here it is. Which of these cycles would you recommend? Thanks. BTW i'm currently on Finasteride and will run it with Deca to see what happens regardless of the myths.
Test 700mg
Deca 500mg
EQ 500mg
Dbol 1-4 30mg
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Test 600mg
EQ 500mg
Deca 200mg - for lubrication of joints
Dbol 1-4 30mgLast edited by Smak; 12-08-2005 at 09:46 AM.
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12-08-2005, 10:09 AM #2AR's Midget Beater
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biggity bizump. I know someone out there has ran these 2 together.
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12-08-2005, 11:06 AM #3
i always run both 2gether with g8 results they work together very well so i think 1st cycle is much better
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12-08-2005, 12:00 PM #4AR's Midget Beater
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Originally Posted by hosam4ever
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12-08-2005, 12:17 PM #6AR's Midget Beater
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Originally Posted by needle
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12-08-2005, 12:18 PM #7
Where do you guys come up with these stacks. Deca and Eq are both very high in anabolic nature but very mild in androgenic nature. Stacking Deca with Eq is almost like stacking Test with Test.
The only reason IMO that I can see using both is 1) deca to help lube your joints if your having problems..2) EQ to maybe help the appetite. You would be better off Using Test and Deca or Test and EQ.
This is the reason that TEST is the BEST. It is roughly 50% of both anabolic and androgenic.Last edited by tough old man; 12-08-2005 at 12:22 PM.
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12-08-2005, 12:22 PM #8AR's Midget Beater
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Originally Posted by tough old man
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12-08-2005, 12:32 PM #9Originally Posted by Smak
This is what your thinking
Test 700mg
Deca 500mg
EQ 500mg
Dbol 1-4 30mg
or
Test 600mg
EQ 500mg
Deca 200mg - for lubrication of joints
Dbol 1-4 30mg
This is what I'd do if one of two things where happening. joint problems or appetite problems.
Your first cycle shown totals 1700 mgs without the d-bol
So if joint problems only
Test 750 mg
EQ @ 750 mg
Deca 200 mg (for the joint problem)
Appetite problem
Test 750 mg
Deca 750 mg
EQ 200 mg (for appetite)
No Problems
Test 1 gram
EQ or Deca 700-750mg
Plus your D-Bol with all above
one more thing. The above Cycles I have giving you will also save you money as Test is cheaper then EQ & Deca
tough
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12-08-2005, 12:34 PM #10VET Retired
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Originally Posted by tough old man
First of nandrolone and boldenone are not the same. Secondly nandrolone is NOT "very mild in androgenic nature" as you put it.
Boldenone being a testosterone derived drug and nandrolone a 19-nor they will have a different effect or the muscle and fat cell thus having a synergistic effect on muscle gain and fat loss.
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12-08-2005, 12:45 PM #11AR's Midget Beater
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Originally Posted by tough old man
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12-08-2005, 12:49 PM #12Originally Posted by big k.l.g
Due to the many different ways that testosterone mediates anabolism, one has to take that statement with a serious grain of salt, but it does establish nandrolone as a potent muscle builder and performance enhancer with a comparatively safe character, at least androgenically speaking. This androgenic mildness is perhaps the greatest reason for its popularity. But due to the lack of immediate anabolic activity nandrolone is rarely used alone. Its the most known and sought after product for use as a base steroid, to use in conjunction with a more androgenic specimen to enhance the results without increasing androgenic side-effects to a serious degree.
The above is not from the 80's. Now onto the 70's, 80' and early 90's. Personally i'll take the body's of Lee Haney, arnold, Frank Zane over the newer like coleman...ECT. Maybe my way of thinking like the way of the three listed did is out. But we are still around with our safe cycles. Wonder how many of you in there early 20's with your insane cycles will be around to see 50. So go ahead and laugh at the way this old man thinks. I stand by the old saying, rather by safe then sorry.Last edited by tough old man; 12-08-2005 at 01:06 PM.
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12-08-2005, 12:53 PM #13AR's Midget Beater
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Originally Posted by big k.l.g
"Although the side effects with Deca are relatively low with dosages of 400 mg/week, androgenic-caused side effects can occur. Most problems manifest themselves in high blood pressure and a pro-longed time for blood clotting, which can cause frequent nasal bleed-ing and prolonged bleeding of cuts, as well as increased production of the sebaceous gland and occasional acne. Some athletes also re-port headaches and sexual overstimulation. When very high dos-ages are taken over a prolonged period, spermatogenesis can be in-hibited in men, i.e. the testes produce less testosterone. The reason is that Deca-Durabolin, like almost all steroids, inhibits the release of gonadotropins from the hypophysis."
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12-08-2005, 12:58 PM #14AR's Midget Beater
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Oldman,
What do you prefer, EQ or Deca and why?
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12-08-2005, 01:05 PM #15
smak,
iv never run both at the same time, but i'll give you my opinion. iv always read that eq and deca in the same cycle is awesome. like you said, deca will give you the size and lube that your looking for, and the eq will help bring out the vascularity, hunger, and solid gains. IME, those comopounds are far from the same, let alone similar. id go with the first cycle, looks awesome bro~
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12-08-2005, 01:11 PM #16VET Retired
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First off that extract does not back up your previous statement:
Originally Posted by tough old man
If he wants the benefits of an androgenic drug the testosterone is enough.
Your line of thinking seems to indicate than a steroid is only useful for "lubing the joints" (nandrolone ) or "appetite" (boldenone ).
BTW.
750mg test.
600mg bold
400-600 deca .
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12-08-2005, 01:11 PM #17Originally Posted by Smak
When my joints start acting up, I add in 200 mgs of deca to help.
My normal cycles are
Test 750-1g
EQ 800-1g
If B/P rises then I lower the Test to 250 and raise the EQ to match the above total.
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12-08-2005, 01:11 PM #18AR's Midget Beater
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12-08-2005, 01:16 PM #19Originally Posted by big k.l.g
Big K...Show me a study that both EQ and Deca should be run together (and not from your bodybuilding mags that you read) and I'll bow to you and admit that I'm wrong
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12-08-2005, 01:18 PM #20Originally Posted by tough old man
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12-08-2005, 01:23 PM #21AR's Midget Beater
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Originally Posted by tough old man
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12-08-2005, 01:32 PM #22Originally Posted by Smak
Here do this. Go to this site and scroll down to anabolic cycle and look at them all. Then get back on here and show mw ONE that tell you to use both EQ and DECA . When you see they don't, then ask yourself why?...Now these won't made up by me and they weren't made up in the 70's and 80's, but in the 2000's.
Now don't listen to me or the others on here. Pick one of those cycles and do it. You can't go wrong as they have been researched
http://www.steroid.com/main.php
Tough.Last edited by tough old man; 12-08-2005 at 01:34 PM.
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12-08-2005, 01:39 PM #23AR's Midget Beater
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Originally Posted by tough old man
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12-08-2005, 01:42 PM #24VET Retired
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Originally Posted by tough old manOriginally Posted by tough old man
Originally Posted by tough old man
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12-08-2005, 01:48 PM #25Originally Posted by Smak
Shit brother do the cycle the way you want. Man if the results are great, then it doesn't matter want any of us think. You found that cycle and it sounds good to you use it. I just put up what I think. It's only my opinion and nothing more and not meant to get into a heated debate.
Tough
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12-08-2005, 01:54 PM #26AR's Midget Beater
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Originally Posted by tough old man
Originally Posted by tough old manLast edited by Smak; 12-08-2005 at 01:57 PM.
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12-08-2005, 02:02 PM #27VET Retired
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Originally Posted by tough old man
Your 'little brother' is running well over 2g + per week and you didn't say shit. Please.
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12-08-2005, 02:04 PM #28AR's Midget Beater
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Originally Posted by big k.l.g
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12-08-2005, 03:38 PM #29Originally Posted by big k.l.g
2) My little brother doesn't run large cycles. He just came off one which included two injectable with a total of about 700 mgs. He is one of the only people i know that can put on lots of mass with little amounts of gear. Something that is hard to do he just did. That is drop 15 lbs of fat and add 13-14 lbs of LBM in 11 weeks. I can't do that
3) Also those lg cycle only consisted of two injectable and that's all I do now, unless a problem arises. I did use a lot od D-bol or anadrol years back, but then one use one injectable
4) Here is a cycle that put more size on me then anything years ago
4A) 1-3 Anadrol 200mgs/ed
......1-12 Test 2 grams
......7-12 D-bol 50 mgs/ed
Tell you something else. In the mid 70's we didn't do PCT either. If you were going to continue to use anabolics we just did HRT for a while and then back onLast edited by tough old man; 12-08-2005 at 03:45 PM.
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12-08-2005, 05:58 PM #30VET Retired
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Wait didn't Tyrone Biggum say he's your brother? Forget it, i just wanted to get my point across not try to bust your balls.
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12-08-2005, 07:40 PM #31Originally Posted by big k.l.g
Note: Big K...you can't bust my balls. hell they left years ago from doing gear with no PCT. All we did in the 70's was use HRT for PCT.Last edited by tough old man; 12-08-2005 at 07:42 PM.
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12-08-2005, 08:31 PM #32Originally Posted by big k.l.g
interesting PCT protocol during the 70's TOM. sounds pretty rough
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12-08-2005, 08:58 PM #33Originally Posted by testosterona
Ok guys I have a lot of time to study because I'm lucky and Retired. So I have been searching all day in regards to DECA and Stacking EQ with it. This is all I could find and I bow to those who may have been right...like most of you.
A: Only a few years ago many would have replied to this with the silly answer of "...boldenone (EQ/Equipoise ) and nandrolone decanoate (deca ) are the same in effect so why stack?"
Boldenone
Boldenone is similar to testosterone in anabolic action with only about 50% the aromatization rate (conversion to estrogens). It is only moderately androgenic yet provides a hardening effect commonly realized due to the employment of highly androgenic non-aromatizing AAS (Anabolic/Androgenic Steroids ).
Since boldenone increases red blood cell production an increase in vascularity is often reported as well as rapid recovery between work-sets. This is great if the red blood cell count does not reach a point of excess leading to blood clots.
The result of these qualities is a highly anabolic environment with low water retention and few reported cases of gynecomastia (bitch tits). Unfortunately boldenone is a veterinary drug only.
Learn More About Equipoise...
Nandrolone
Nandrolone is a progestin of sorts (having progesterone-like qualities) that aromatizes at about 20% the rate of testosterone. Its aromatization product is a nor-estrogen having much less estrogenic activity. It is more anabolic than testosterone and low to moderately androgenic.
The result of these qualities should be a very high rate of protein synthesis (muscular growth), no female pattern fat deposits or gynecomastia, with a dry and hard look to the physique... but it doesn't. (Huh?)
Since it has progestin qualities the drug is able to interact with progesterone receptors and cause water retention and bitch tits. (But it gets worse) Additionally the progesterone effect can have an inhibitory effect upon libido (Looking semi-hard but not in a manner of speaking).
Learn More About Nandrolone...
Combining The Two
Several AAS users have reported a beneficial value to co-administration of lower dosages of both boldenone and nandrolone in comparison to high dosages of one or the other.
This is due to the resulting degree of negative potential side effect cancellation: The androgenic value of boldenone seems to cancel the anti-libido effect of nandrolone and the reduction in necessary boldenone dosages decreases the excessive red blood cell production concern.
The reduction in progesterone-like activity and reduced total circulating estrogens (from aromatization) also reduces the chances of winning a wet T-shirt contest and a much harder musculature.
My observations have always been that 1.5-2mg per pound of body weight each of boldenone and nandrolone weekly resulted in fewer negative side effects and better lean tissue accruement than 3-4mg per pound of body weight weekly of either alone.
By the way, the idea of canceling each other out is an oxymoron. AAS molecules do not cancel each other; they replace one another in occupying the androgen receptors on/in muscle and other cells.
The period of time an AAS molecule remains in a given androgen receptor (binding time) is determined by its structure... not by what other molecules are around to piss it off. Geez!
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12-08-2005, 09:01 PM #34Originally Posted by tough old man
~Pinnacle~
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12-08-2005, 09:29 PM #35Originally Posted by Pinnacle
Tough
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12-08-2005, 09:38 PM #36Originally Posted by tough old man
~Pinnacle~
Back to the thread....
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12-08-2005, 10:01 PM #37VET Retired
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So you'll bow to me Tough? Good I could use a good man slave.
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12-08-2005, 11:41 PM #38
back to the topic...
I'm currently on the same cycle a little different dosages though. Mainly a bulking cycle but also going for the vascularity, extra red blood cells, and appetite EQ provides. Did the same cycle with lower dosages my first cycle and had good results (33lbs 10wks).
1-15 750mg test e
1-14 500mg eq
1-13 400mg deca
Been on for a week and 6 days so far. Already up 5 lbs and seems to have kicked in pretty fast. Getting good pumps during workout, nice and red, it's water weight but I can already feel it in my joints as well. Lifting heavy doesn't hurt my sore elbow anymore and I'm hungry 24/7.
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12-09-2005, 12:02 AM #39Anabolic Member
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There isnt much point in running deca and Eq together as they hit the same recepter in the muscle. They are also very similar in anabolic /androgenic nature, so, running only one of them in higher dosage, will promote the same result.
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12-09-2005, 12:17 AM #40Originally Posted by vitor
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