what exactly is being shut down?

**kuad** · 12-14-2005, 12:21 PM

what are the symptons, therapy?
thanks!!!!

**Born Threat** · 12-14-2005, 12:25 PM

No sex drive, testicles shrink.

**kuad** · 12-14-2005, 12:27 PM

no energy? what is the cure?

**BOBBY D** · 12-14-2005, 12:29 PM

being shut down means u have lost ur natural testosterone levels . symptoms are: no interest in sex, cant get it up, lethargic (tired, weak, sleepy), not feeling aggressive in daily life habits, low sperm production. therapy is if ur on a cycle is to include testosterone itself in every cycle. if u r having just sexual problems or something that would require u to get ur test levels back up, just use testosterone E or CYP. ALSO, testosterone is a good beginner's cycle @ 400-500mgs/wk, split into 2x/ week injection of 250mg. hope this helps.

B.D.

**Born Threat** · 12-14-2005, 12:29 PM

Originally Posted by kuad

no energy? what is the cure?

Some type of test booster.

What are you on?

**Born Threat** · 12-14-2005, 12:31 PM

Originally Posted by BOBBY D

being shut down means u have lost ur natural testosterone levels . symptoms are: no interest in sex, cant get it up, lethargic (tired, weak, sleepy), not feeling aggressive in daily life habits, low sperm production. therapy is if ur on a cycle is to include testosterone itself in every cycle. if u r having just sexual problems or something that would require u to get ur test levels back up, just use testosterone E or CYP. ALSO, testosterone is a good beginner's cycle @ 400-500mgs/wk, split into 2x/ week injection of 250mg. hope this helps.

B.D.

Yup, always include some type of test as a base to all your cycles and you won't have this problem.

**kuad** · 12-14-2005, 12:31 PM

finished 12 week cycle of test-e,eq, and final 6 weeks winni. that was about 6 weeks ago

**Born Threat** · 12-14-2005, 12:34 PM

Originally Posted by kuad

finished 12 week cycle of test-e,eq, and final 6 weeks winni. that was about 6 weeks ago

Did you complete PCT?

**kuad** · 12-14-2005, 12:35 PM

still taking about 20mg nolva ed

**symatech** · 12-14-2005, 12:35 PM

Like hangovers, the only real cure is time. If you just finished a 12 week cycle don't be surprised if it takes you 12 weeks or more to fully recover.

**BOBBY D** · 12-14-2005, 12:38 PM

Originally Posted by kuad

still taking about 20mg nolva ed

I would take proper clomid recommendations & add it w/ ur nolv. clomid is the main ingredient in PCT.

**kuad** · 12-14-2005, 12:44 PM

like how much clomid with the nolva?

**BOBBY D** · 12-14-2005, 12:44 PM

if u r already 6 weeks past, then i guess there is no sense for proper PCT. i never thought PCT was important, until i researched more & more, & these fine bro's on AR made it clear that it is important. please be more prepared in future cycles.

**kuad** · 12-14-2005, 12:48 PM

right, but i did do the nolva. sonow i just wait until everything goes back to normal?

**BOBBY D** · 12-14-2005, 01:07 PM

Originally Posted by kuad

right, but i did do the nolva. sonow i just wait until everything goes back to normal?

I WOULD wait the same amount of time that u were on (which was 12 weeks, right) before u go into another cycle. another word of advise, u can take creatine now for at least 2 months to help keep size & adds some vacularity, also will give u some water which i like to help condition ur bone joints.

**kuad** · 12-14-2005, 01:10 PM

thanks for the advice!

**stupidhippo** · 12-14-2005, 01:26 PM

I thought I was a quick recoverer.. My sex drive was decent, I had energy and felt good all around.. only problem was a lil less of a libido but that aint necesasrily that bad since still could go several times a day if needed. Nuts were nut full size for sure. Then I go get bloodwork done and what do I find out? My test levels were that of a 10 year old girl. MAN... was I disappointed. My point: u cant really know if u r shut down or not with out PCT. knowing these symptoms will help but even they wont necessarily show whats going on..