2004 handbook?? what the?

[Machdiesel]

they reccomend as a first/mass cycle to do deca n dbol, NO TEST!! why is this???

[Machdiesel]

no thoughts????

[Wildcatbadass]

2004... maybe thats why in itself

[testosterona]

people have different opinions on different cycles. that's why

[Got Insulin?]

building the perfect beast is in love with deca without test. ive noticed this in a few research areas.

[Machdiesel]

yea i downloaded the beast also... weird

[Machdiesel]

well my main reason for asking this was i am going to run test e for 12 weeks, would it be beneficial to jump start it with 4 weeks of d-bol, n is this ok for my first cycle

[Got Insulin?]

nah i wouldnt fool with the d bol ur first cycle. your gains off test alone will be enough trust me.

[Smiley619]

test for your first one would be fine but you will find a lot of test w/dbol jump starts for the first around here.

[madflabby]

I noticed that too, I did enjoy the FINA(tren) step by step guide.

Did you notice in BEAST that he recommends 4 week cyccles BIG TIME? I've always been taught to stick with 10-12 weekers.