lean cycle

[peterj]

i have had a quick read over the site and found some good info

i am looking for some help on a first timers cycle

ideally around 8 weeks

no water

no acne

no mind blowing gains, just steady keepable mass

any help would be great
thanks

[tempbrit]

How old r u and what is your training experience and stats?

[peterj]

hi thanks for the reply

aged 27, training 6-7 years 200lb at about 12-13% BF 5 11" looking for some quality lean gains

no previous cycle history other than 6 weeks of anavar only (so orals over inject) with minimal gains at 60mg ED

[JUICEMONKEY2005]

id say prop and winny...you want keepable mass but no bloat...thats gonna be hard but prop and winny would give you some good clean muscle!!!

[peterj]

thanks

what would a sample cycle look like?

[tempbrit]

If you can deal with ED injections I would do something like this:

Weeks 1-8 75 mgs ED Test Prop
Weeks 2-8 60 mgs ED Var

If you can't deal with the ED injections and the pain from the Prop I would do the following:

Weeks 1-12 Test Cyp or Ent 500mgs Shot 2 times per week
Weeks 8 up to PCT Var

Use Arimidex during the cycle in addition to Nolva to eliminate any potential bloat. This cycle needs to be run 10-12 weeks minimum because of the slow acting Esters in the Cyp and Ent. It will take 4-5 weeks to "kick-in".

[*Alex*]

i would go with test e or c only for the first cycle!!!!!

[Xtralarg]

test e/c @500mg pw......nolva+ letro will help stop water rention and help give the 'hard look'.....test e/c are a good option because ed injections are not reqiured.......twice weekly will do.
Or.....you could try prop 100mg ed needed though,very little water retention will be experienced and therefore good solid gains should be visable,works well stacked with winny@50mg ed

Both require aniti e's and PCT