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12-16-2005, 11:17 AM #1New Member
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EQ question
Awsome site, been observing from the sidelines for awhile. Anyway, presuming test e. will shut you down faster and to a greater degree than EQ, would it make sense to start the EQ 4 weeks sooner than the test, then run both for 10 weeks? Only bringing this up because the consensus seems to be to run EQ for a minimum of 12 weeks, and I don't want to run test for that long.
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12-16-2005, 11:25 AM #2Originally Posted by thermodave
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12-16-2005, 11:45 AM #3New Member
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I guess my theory was that a quicker recovery would be possible without being on the test for a full 14 weeks.
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12-16-2005, 11:49 AM #4Originally Posted by thermodave
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12-16-2005, 11:50 AM #5
well if you wanted to run them to start working together i guess you could start the EQ a little earlier, but if you wanna hit the receptors hard when theyre fresh look into frontloading.
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12-16-2005, 11:51 AM #6Originally Posted by thermodave
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I've found that a shorter test cycle allows me to recover faster than a longer one. (obviously). Are you saying that a 14 week cycle with EQ would be just as hard to rebound from than a 14 week test cycle?
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12-16-2005, 12:02 PM #8Originally Posted by thermodave
Do you believe Testosterone shuts you down more than EQ?
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12-16-2005, 12:06 PM #9Anabolic Member
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Originally Posted by Pinnacle
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12-16-2005, 12:10 PM #10Originally Posted by vitor
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12-16-2005, 12:16 PM #11Anabolic Member
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Originally Posted by Mesomorphyl
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12-16-2005, 12:19 PM #12Originally Posted by vitor
I'LL be WAITING>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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12-16-2005, 12:20 PM #13Originally Posted by vitor
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12-16-2005, 12:24 PM #15Originally Posted by mkrulic
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12-16-2005, 12:26 PM #16Anabolic Member
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Originally Posted by Pinnacle
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12-16-2005, 12:31 PM #17Banned
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With EQ,Decrease HPTA function is Moderate,however,at high doses you can get shut down.
goose4..........
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12-16-2005, 12:31 PM #18Originally Posted by vitor
So NO proof right?Just another CLAIM by you with absolutely nothing to support it?
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12-16-2005, 12:38 PM #19
wow, OWNED!
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12-16-2005, 12:38 PM #20Originally Posted by Pinnacle
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I would like to see some proof to this.
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12-16-2005, 12:39 PM #21Originally Posted by Pinnacle
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Originally Posted by Pinnacle
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12-16-2005, 12:45 PM #23New Member
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Didn't intend to start a fight fella's. If I only wanted to run test for 10 weeks, what would you suggest the best way to run EQ, keeping in mind the 14 week rule(?) for maximum EQ results?
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12-16-2005, 12:45 PM #24Originally Posted by vitor
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12-16-2005, 12:47 PM #25Originally Posted by thermodave
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Originally Posted by Mesomorphyl
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12-16-2005, 12:50 PM #27Originally Posted by vitor
And as the feel like... my nuts shrank
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12-16-2005, 12:51 PM #28Originally Posted by Pinnacle
I'm looking to learn like others on the forum are...but how can I do that when you are always slamming people? It's like trying to take advice from someone who is always yelling. It's counter-productive.
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12-16-2005, 12:55 PM #29New Member
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Originally Posted by Mesomorphyl
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12-16-2005, 12:59 PM #30Anabolic Member
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Originally Posted by Mesomorphyl
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12-16-2005, 01:02 PM #31Originally Posted by thermodave
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12-16-2005, 01:03 PM #32New Member
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Originally Posted by Mesomorphyl
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12-16-2005, 01:04 PM #33
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12-16-2005, 01:09 PM #34Originally Posted by AIZ
How am I slamming him?I asked for proof of his claims?I didn't flame him.
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12-16-2005, 01:15 PM #35
**I HAVE POSTED THIS DOZENS OF TIMES**
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*NOT ALL ANDROGENS CAUSE SHUTDOWN*
"Shutdown", is defined by a COMPLETE inhibition of the Pituitary/Testes, resulting in a TOTAL cessation of endogenous androgen production.
SOME androgens will only SUPPRESS endogenous androgen production, resulting in a DECREASED testosterone level, but not a complete shutdown. (Tbol, Var, Wistrol, EQ, Dianabol , masteron , primo)
Very Androgenic /Progestenic/Estrogenic steroids (Tren , Deca , Drol, Test) cause a COMPLETE shutdown of endogenous hormone production.
The distinction between SUPRESSION and SHUTDOWN is utterly important, as steroids that cause LESS supression of endogenous hormones will allow for greater retention of gains upon ending the cycle, and a quicker, easier PCT. This is why I avoid using test in my cycles, as TEST only makes retaining gains more difficult."
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--SIDE NOTE
*I JUST ADDED TESTOSTERONE PROPIONATE TO MY EQ-ONLY CYCLE* (10 days ago)
I have ran almost every compound SOLO:
Anavar , Dianabol, Turinabol , Primobolan , Boldenone , Winstrol ....
NONE of these drugs used ALONE at MODERATE dosages caused any significant change in sexual function/libido. (Exception being Winstrol/Anavar). Upon cessation, my testosterone levels always rebounded very quickly, and I have always maintained ALL of my gains.
This is my 1st run EVER with testosterone...Only time will tell....
[R]Last edited by ROSSOSTERONE; 12-16-2005 at 01:19 PM.
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12-16-2005, 01:19 PM #36
Is this the Imfamous Ross hehehehe
You Wont be here long
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12-16-2005, 01:23 PM #37Originally Posted by ROSSOSTERONE
Bad example above Ross.Many guys have ran Deca solo and didn't have any sexual disfuction at all.They were still shut down though.same goes for recovery.Just because you can get a hard on at PCT doesn't mean you are recovered.
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12-16-2005, 01:28 PM #38
Pinn--
**BLOODWORK** is what I use to determine "recovery" and "SHUTDOWN". I have bloodwoork verifying that the various drugs I listed above, ONLY REDUCE TESTOSTERONE --they do not SHUT IT OFF.
Furthermore, sexual function/libido is an indicator of endogenous testosterone production(so long as synthetic test is not included).
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Proviron (Mesterolone) doesn't shut you down at reasonable doses:
Horm Metab Res. 1984 Sep;16(9):492-7.Related Articles, Links
Effect of non aromatizable androgens on LHRH and TRH responses in primary testicular failure.
Spitz IM, Margalioth EJ, Yeger Y, Livshin Y, Zylber-Haran E, Shilo S.
We have assessed the gonadotropin, TSH and PRL responses to the non aromatizable androgens, mesterolone and fluoxymestrone, in 27 patients with primary testicular failure. All patients were given a bolus of LHRH (100 micrograms) and TRH (200 micrograms) at zero time. Nine subjects received a further bolus of TRH at 30 mins. The latter were then given mesterolone 150 mg daily for 6 weeks. The remaining subjects received fluoxymesterone 5 mg daily for 4 weeks and 10 mg daily for 2 weeks. On the last day of the androgen administration, the subjects were re-challenged with LHRH and TRH according to the identical protocol. When compared to controls, the patients had normal circulating levels of testosterone , estradiol, PRL and thyroid hormones. However, basal LH, FSH and TSH levels, as well as gonadotropin responses to LHRH and TSH and PRL responses to TRH, were increased. Mesterolone administration produced no changes in steroids , thyroid hormones, gonadotropins nor PRL. There was, however, a reduction in the integrated and incremental TSH secretion after TRH. Fluoxymesterone administration was accompanied by a reduction in thyroid binding globulin (with associated decreases in T3 and increases in T3 resin uptake). The free T4 index was unaltered, which implies that thyroid function was unchanged. In addition, during fluoxymesterone administration, there was a reduction in testosterone, gonadotropins and LH response to LHRH. Basal TSH did not vary, but there was a reduction in the peak and integrated TSH response to TRH. PRL levels were unaltered during fluoxymesterone treatment.(ABSTRACT TRUNCATED AT 250 WORDS)
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12-16-2005, 01:36 PM #39
[quote=ROSSOSTERONE]Pinn--
**BLOODWORK** is what I use to determine "recovery" and "SHUTDOWN". I have bloodwoork verifying that the various drugs I listed above,
No need for caps Ross.I can read just fine ( most days anyway ).
Can you post up results of blood work done while running EQ alone? Also proving EQ was active in your blood at the time?
I'm not doubting you Ross.I would like to see some documented proof though.Since there really isn't any in regards to EQ.
THX
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How much Decrease in HPTA function does masteron have,cheers?
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