My cutter w/CYP

**madflabby** · 12-22-2005, 06:18 PM

I think I'm going to change form PROP to CYP. Couldn't get the prop and if I keep my diet clean I'm not to worried about water weight.

CYP 500MG every 5 days
TREN 1st nine week every 3rd day
WINNY last 3 weeks

PCT w/Clomid and HCG

I've read many places taht TEST IS TEST, is the bloast thing that drastic w/Prop compared to CYP?

**QuieTSToRM33** · 12-22-2005, 09:34 PM

i would run prop if i had the chance ... but cyp will do as long as u have the proper ancillaries in order to keep water retention at a minimum ..... shoot the tren and winny ED and the cyp twice a week (mon and thurs is fine)

u could go

cyp 500mg
tren 50mg ED
win 50mg ED

ive never run cyp but i have run prop and i can tell u that i didnt hold on to water at all .... and my buddy has run cyp and ive seen him bloat like a mofo

**shortie** · 12-22-2005, 09:38 PM

Yeah, some get the bloat, some don't you'll just have to see for yourself. Personally I would runt the tren at leat EOD to cut down on sides.JMO

**madflabby** · 12-23-2005, 11:53 AM

I think a "little" bloat will be ok. The Tren , the diet and some moderate cardio I'll be fine.

**madflabby** · 12-30-2005, 07:45 PM

REVISED
TEST CYP
TREN ENTH
(Some kind of anti bloat/anti estrogen)

Winny last 2-3 weeks.

Clomid PCT
HCG towards the end.

***G-1000*** · 12-30-2005, 08:19 PM

Originally Posted by madflabby

I think a "little" bloat will be ok. The Tren, the diet and some moderate cardio I'll be fine.

Moderate cardio with tren . that is just not going to happen.

I would add eq to the cycle. that will help your cardio.

**Braveheart04** · 12-30-2005, 08:40 PM

If you are on the right diet, will bloat or water retention still be a problem?

**madflabby** · 12-30-2005, 10:55 PM

Is doing cardio taht difficult on Tren ? What about the 1 hour walk on the treadmill?

Jogging?

***G-1000*** · 12-30-2005, 11:18 PM

cardio sucks when on tren . you can do it but you will hate life.

**testosterona** · 12-30-2005, 11:45 PM

what are your proposed doses?

***Narkissos*** · 12-31-2005, 02:58 PM

Originally Posted by madflabby

I've read many places taht TEST IS TEST, is the bloast thing that drastic w/Prop compared to CYP?

I've said before.

Bloating is over-rated.

It's a visual anamolie... i.e. holding water will NOT affect the process of cutting.

Conversely, holding water will aide one in retaining more strength...which in turn will aide one in retaining more muscle while cutting

That rant aside.

Cyp + Tren -E will be fine... i don't think you need the winny in there.

I personally don't like winny.

I'd toss Masteron in it's place. I haven't personally used Masteron... but on paper, and tru anecdotal info, it seems like the better choice. My next cycle will include it. Winny i've used... and wasn't that impressed.

How long is your proposed cutting cycle going to be?

What doses are proposing?

What is your cycle history?

What is your bodyweight and LBM?

I think those are the questions the other members should've asked

~Narkissos

**madflabby** · 12-31-2005, 05:57 PM

This is my second cycle, I'm @ 16% BF. My first cycle I gained a bunch of weight, lost it, but retained a lot of strength/muscle.

I'm 30 years old, been lifting for 10 years. I'm 6' 226lbs, my bench is about 430 and squat is about 450, deadlift about 400. I hope to get down to 11% BF increase all of the above lifts.

Why don't you like WInny? I'm going to run this for 12 weeks.

CYP 700 a week.
tren E 400 a week

**leansauce** · 12-31-2005, 07:23 PM

ive used winny in my first cycle and am about to use it again in my second cycle which i am now on. i loved it myself, but i do agree that masteron does sound even better and will probably replace winny in my future cycles

ive used prop in my first cycle and im now runnin cyp, both times i used letro with it and got zero bloat, just use an AI and youll be all good