Second cycle plan?

**Swifto** · 12-26-2005, 12:48 PM

My first cycle consisted of Tbol 50mg/wk for weeks 1-6 and Iranian Test Enan weeks 1-14. I gained approx. 25lbs but lost 21lbs due to pneumonia.

My next step is to get bloodwork done to see how my body is currently recovering as I'm now doing PCT and have 2 weeks remaining.

The second cycle plans I have are.

wk 1-6 Tbol 60mg/ED (BD)
wk 1-14 Test Enan 500mg/wk (Iranian)
wk 10-14 Prop 50-75mg/ED (BD)
wk1-14 Proviron 25mg/ED
PCT= Nolva/Clomid
OR

wk 1-6 Tbol 60mg/ED (BD)
wk 1-14 Test Cyp 600mg/wk (BD)
wk 1-12 Deca 400mg/wk (BD)
wk 1-14 Proviron 25mg/ED
PCT=Nolva/Clomid

Questions are:

Should I increase my Test Enan dosage due to using 500mg/wk for my first cycle?
Is the Prop run for long enough? (4 weeks)

Please give your suggestions.

**Booz** · 12-26-2005, 12:58 PM

i would keep the test at 500 mate,if you have only ran one cycle you should get away with the same again,i take it you only used test for your 1st cycle??if so the added compounds would give this one an added boost.
the prop timin should be changed to wk 12-16 so that the pct start times line up correctly,start clomid therapy 3 days after the last shot of test!
i like the 1st cycle.

***SPIKE*** · 12-26-2005, 01:05 PM

Originally Posted by Swifto

wk 1-6 Tbol 60mg/ED (BD)
wk 1-14 Test Enan 500mg/wk (Iranian)
wk 10-14 Prop 50-75mg/ED (BD)
wk1-14 Proviron 25mg/ED
PCT= Nolva/Clomid

I like this one more Swift. I'm just not the biggest fan of Deca and even though you're running Proviron you will still get less water retention running the Prop.
Completely agree with Booz in running the Prop up til clomid. Start the Clomid 3 days after last injection of Prop.

Have you ever used BD Prop before??? I've heard it hurts like hell........

**marcus300** · 12-26-2005, 01:06 PM

Originally Posted by Swifto

My first cycle consisted of Tbol 50mg/wk for weeks 1-6 and Iranian Test Enan weeks 1-14. I gained approx. 25lbs but lost 21lbs due to pneumonia.

My next step is to get bloodwork done to see how my body is currently recovering as I'm now doing PCT and have 2 weeks remaining.

The second cycle plans I have are.

wk 1-6 Tbol 60mg/ED (BD)
wk 1-14 Test Enan 500mg/wk (Iranian)
wk 10-14 Prop 50-75mg/ED (BD)
wk1-14 Proviron 25mg/ED
PCT= Nolva/Clomid
OR

wk 1-6 Tbol 60mg/ED (BD)
wk 1-14 Test Cyp 600mg/wk (BD)
wk 1-12 Deca 400mg/wk (BD)
wk 1-14 Proviron 25mg/ED
PCT=Nolva/Clomid

Questions are:

Should I increase my Test Enan dosage due to using 500mg/wk for my first cycle?
Is the Prop run for long enough? (4 weeks)

Please give your suggestions.

i like the look of the first for your second cycle but i would put the prop in for the first 4 weeks at 100mg ED and not at the end, other than that looks fine to me

**Swifto** · 12-26-2005, 01:23 PM

Originally Posted by Jayhova16

I like this one more Swift. I'm just not the biggest fan of Deca and even though you're running Proviron you will still get less water retention running the Prop.
Completely agree with Booz in running the Prop up til clomid. Start the Clomid 3 days after last injection of Prop.

Have you ever used BD Prop before??? I've heard it hurts like hell........

Thanks for the suggestions. I will change my cycle to what you both said. Running the Prop for weeks 12-16 and doing PCT 3 days after.

I have never used BD. My first cycle was with Tbol/Test Enan (Iranian) and the first 4-5 shots hurt like hell, but got a lot better. I think I will go with the first cycle plan.

Do you think I should use Iranian Test Enan? I have read on here that many batches are underdosed and overdosed, making it hard to kepp blood levels more stable. Do you think I should give BD Cypionate a go at 400mg/wk or 600mg/wk.

**Swifto** · 12-26-2005, 02:07 PM

Bump

***G-1000*** · 12-26-2005, 02:32 PM

wk 1-6 Tbol 60mg/ED (BD)
wk 1-14 Test Cyp 600mg/wk (BD)
wk 1-12 Deca 400mg/wk (BD)
wk 1-14 Proviron 25mg/ED
PCT=Nolva/Clomid

I like this cycle, but why the pro and not run the nolv with the cycle. also need some b-6

**Swifto** · 12-26-2005, 02:35 PM

Originally Posted by gsxxr

wk 1-6 Tbol 60mg/ED (BD)
wk 1-14 Test Cyp 600mg/wk (BD)
wk 1-12 Deca 400mg/wk (BD)
wk 1-14 Proviron 25mg/ED
PCT=Nolva/Clomid

I like this cycle, but why the pro and not run the nolv with the cycle. also need some b-6

I think I will use this cycle as a 3rd cycle.

I was under the impression that Proviron will aid with SHBG levels? Or does Proviron need to be added later in the cycle?

***G-1000*** · 12-26-2005, 02:39 PM

No you can run it. i just wonted to see what your resen for it was. just add the nolv 10mg day to the cycle with b-2 and your goot to go.

Why run it as your 3rd? do it now do it now.

**Swifto** · 12-26-2005, 02:43 PM

Originally Posted by gsxxr

No you can run it. i just wonted to see what your resen for it was. just add the nolv 10mg day to the cycle with b-2 and your goot to go.

Why run it as your 3rd? do it now do it now.

I'm just slightly worried about using Deca in a 2nd cycle. As it can be so hard to recover from. Mass is my goal though. Due to my first cycle being ruined by pneumonia do you think running the exact same cycle as my first will yield any gains at all?

***G-1000*** · 12-26-2005, 02:59 PM

test only will give you gains. but you will get much better with deca and much more keep able gains with deca.

***SPIKE*** · 12-26-2005, 03:39 PM

Originally Posted by Swifto

Do you think I should use Iranian Test Enan?

I ran 750mgs of Iranian before and got great results. I just finshed running 750mgs of BD Test E and didnt like it one bit. I had an entire thread on it a while ago. I felt that the results I got off of it were the bare minimum. It was all legit gear just underdosed IMO..................

**MASTER** · 12-26-2005, 05:34 PM

Originally Posted by Swifto

I'm just slightly worried about using Deca in a 2nd cycle. As it can be so hard to recover from. Mass is my goal though. Due to my first cycle being ruined by pneumonia do you think running the exact same cycle as my first will yield any gains at all?

deca is really light on sides as long as you run test higher bro