Tongkat Ali and Test Levels

**EdMan2** · 01-07-2006, 12:50 AM

How much does this stuff raise test levels by? I've been taking RedKat for a little over a month now and libido is definitely up, and I'm breaking out on my back and upper stomach/chest. It can't be this effective can it? I mean I'm only 23 years old so I doubt my test levels were low to begin with but I didn't expect this to happen.

**fitnessNY** · 01-07-2006, 10:12 AM

It can raise your test levels quite a bit. I think it is more effective than Trib.

**Hammerman** · 01-07-2006, 10:18 AM

Its good stuff, far better than trib imo!

**snowfox** · 01-07-2006, 03:31 PM

Not only does it raise your t levels better than trib, but it also gives you a sense of well being. I wouldn't take more than 1 gram of 50:1 extract though as it causes (can) insomnia

**EdMan2** · 01-07-2006, 03:53 PM

I'm not sure what the potency of RedKat is but I take 4 caps a day, which is the recommended dose. So far it seems to be working great.

**oldman** · 01-07-2006, 04:02 PM

Just a quick question on this stuff.. Is it not just a cialis/Viagra type product or does it really boost Test?

Oldman

**stupidhippo** · 01-07-2006, 04:11 PM

I wish I knew the "real answer" too.. They r not like viagra, their efficacy has gotten mixed reviews. IMO tongkat ali seems to have done better in studies (tribulus mainly showing no effect at all) but so many other factors at play. Some ppl advocate both some neither and some only tongkat... my personal opinion: both seem to increase libido in PCT (and normally to maybe a lil) but to say that they both increase test levels is IMO wrong.. My opinion is that they might, especially Tongkat ...

**EdMan2** · 01-07-2006, 04:29 PM

I could be wrong but I think it just frees up more bound testosterone , leading to higher free test levels.

**Ntpadude** · 01-08-2006, 03:40 PM

Originally Posted by EdMan2

How much does this stuff raise test levels by? I've been taking RedKat for a little over a month now and libido is definitely up, and I'm breaking out on my back and upper stomach/chest. It can't be this effective can it? I mean I'm only 23 years old so I doubt my test levels were low to begin with but I didn't expect this to happen.

Tongkat ali has been proven to boost your total testosterone levels to about double if you stay on it long enough, but it also lowers your SHBG's so you get about a 440% increase in "free testosterone ".

Its also been shown to work something like HCG , in that tongkat can actually cause you to begin producing natural testosterone and continue to lower your SHBG's even if you are taking tongkat while "on" a cycle which involves deca durabolin or trenbalone. In otherwords these 2 drugs are the most powerful things to shut down your natural testosterone production, and yet tongkat can overpower this shutdown effect and get you producing again. Also makes your steroids you are taking more effective because lowering SHBG's reduces the "tollerance" effect that SHBG's do to your steroid tollerances. As we know, SHBG's bind to ALL anabolic steroids, not just testosterone, and it partially disables deca , tren , test, winstrol , etc... so tongkat ali is a cycler's best friend actually.

**EdMan2** · 01-08-2006, 03:51 PM

Originally Posted by Ntpadude

Tongkat ali has been proven to boost your total testosterone levels to about double if you stay on it long enough, but it also lowers your SHBG's so you get about a 440% increase in "free testosterone ".

Its also been shown to work something like HCG, in that tongkat can actually cause you to begin producing natural testosterone and continue to lower your SHBG's even if you are taking tongkat while "on" a cycle which involves deca durabolin or trenbalone. In otherwords these 2 drugs are the most powerful things to shut down your natural testosterone production, and yet tongkat can overpower this shutdown effect and get you producing again. Also makes your steroids you are taking more effective because lowering SHBG's reduces the "tollerance" effect that SHBG's do to your steroid tollerances. As we know, SHBG's bind to ALL anabolic steroids, not just testosterone, and it partially disables deca, tren, test, winstrol, etc... so tongkat ali is a cycler's best friend actually.

So if I'm already taking it, there's no reason to stop if and when I decide to cycle?

**Papi93** · 01-23-2006, 12:34 PM

Originally Posted by oldman

Just a quick question on this stuff.. Is it not just a cialis/Viagra type product or does it really boost Test?

Oldman

This is what Bryan2 had to say on tongkat ali and tribulus:

Tongat actually has clinical research behind it showing raises in test levels both total and free.

mainly by reducing SHBG to raise free test

tribulus on the other hand has no studies that I can find showing any significant raise in test levels.

But this is mainly due to the fact that they do NOT mega dose like we do in the studies.

Ive seen one study that shows a slight raise in total test levels from trib but the effects only lasted around 45 mins.

and free test was unaffected.