Var, OT, or both???

**GOT2BEBIG** · 01-11-2006, 08:04 PM

I've hit the boards and I can't seem to get the info I'm looking for. Var decreases appetite and libido, OT increases appetite and libido, so is a good oral cycle to mix them lets say both 30mg ed or would it be better just to do 60mg ed of just OT or Var?

**Monsteronjuice** · 01-11-2006, 08:06 PM

Don;t mix, choose one or other... personal OT

**longhorn814** · 01-11-2006, 08:08 PM

there is a guy that comes on here and constantly gets banned, but he is a firm believer in var/ot cycles. Personally I think there are better ones

**Rocky IV** · 01-11-2006, 08:38 PM

Originally Posted by longhorn814

there is a guy that comes on here and constantly gets banned, but he is a firm believer in var/ot cycles. Personally I think there are better ones

yea ross is getting pretty famous these days from getting band so many times

**pioneer** · 01-11-2006, 09:17 PM

IMO choose one or the other. Have you tried Masteron ?

**Monsteronjuice** · 01-11-2006, 09:21 PM

masteron is only good when low bodyfat is present... would need your weight, height and bodyfat before thinking about masteron

**pioneer** · 01-11-2006, 10:50 PM

yes monster is right you would def need to have the lower body fat, thanks monster!

**Jayhawk21** · 01-12-2006, 02:02 AM

Ross brought up a valid point though. Alot of guys say don't do two orals at once because it's horrible for your liver, but yet they run 100mg of TBol. 40 mg Tbol and 30 mg Var would be roughly about half as hard on your liver as that. Var is a little less harsh on your liver than OT even tho both are c17's. I wouldn't use both though. If you are worried about your libido just use OT and Proviron if you want. It would be helpful to know your goals are. I thought about doing Anavar with T-Bol but it just wasn't worth it, on the liver and for $. On a cycle like that Anavar is really only going to give you a little more strength gains rather than mass. I'm on T-Bol right now at 50 ED and I love it

**Milky87** · 01-12-2006, 05:38 AM

How long have you ben on the tbol and what progress have you made?

What is the story with Ross? What did he do to make it so that he gets baned everytime he comes on?

chinups · 01-12-2006, 05:42 AM

I often discussed this since my body really reacted great with winstrol and I personally love anavar , everything about anavar appeals to me. My question always was. If 100mg of winstrol everday is ok why isn't 50 anavar 50 winstrol ok???? Makes no sense to me. Especially since anavar is less toxic then winstrol. Just my 0.2

**Swifto** · 01-12-2006, 05:46 AM

Originally Posted by Milky87

How long have you ben on the tbol and what progress have you made?

What is the story with Ross? What did he do to make it so that he gets baned everytime he comes on?

Ross was banned for giving out misleading advice. Some will disagree.

Anyhow, I have used Tbol at 50mg/ED and it was great. Strength/wieght gains were excellent, whilst getting more vascular. I'll be using it again in many more cycles I do. Next time at 60mg/ED.

chinups · 01-12-2006, 05:56 AM

WTF is Tbol??? I been away to long

**Tiftan090** · 01-12-2006, 05:56 AM

This brings up a question I've been wondering about for a long time. Why don't the orals with the same alteration have the same toxicity? If they were non methylated they would have the same non-hepatoxicity, right? Why should the base compound influence it?

**scriptfactory** · 01-12-2006, 06:04 AM

Originally Posted by Tiftan090

This brings up a question I've been wondering about for a long time. Why don't the orals with the same alteration have the same toxicity? If they were non methylated they would have the same non-hepatoxicity, right? Why should the base compound influence it?

I was thinking about this also. It doesn't make sense to me... Anyone? I miss Hooker...

**goose** · 01-12-2006, 07:20 AM

Originally Posted by chinups

I often discussed this since my body really reacted great with winstrol and I personally love anavar, everything about anavar appeals to me. My question always was. If 100mg of winstrol everday is ok why isn't 50 anavar 50 winstrol ok???? Makes no sense to me. Especially since anavar is less toxic then winstrol. Just my 0.2

Very good point,Tbol is Oral-Turinabol .

chinups · 01-12-2006, 07:25 AM

I haven't heard much about it. Going to research

Feel Free to post links

Thanks

**goose** · 01-12-2006, 07:32 AM

Originally Posted by chinups

I haven't heard much about it. Going to research

Feel Free to post links

Thanks

I like it very much,it`s as mild as Var on your liver,I ran Var at 60 and Tbol at 60 at the same time in a cycle and got great results.

http://forums.anabolicreview.com/sho...d.php?t=199812

goose4..

chinups · 01-12-2006, 07:36 AM

I just found out I have access to them.

I was going to do like 50 mg of anavar a day with 50 mg eod of winny for 6 weeks

chinups · 01-12-2006, 07:38 AM

Originally Posted by goose4

I like it very much,it`s as mild as Var on your liver,I ran Var at 60 and Tbol at 60 at the same time in a cycle and got great results.

http://forums.anabolicreview.com/sho...d.php?t=199812

goose4..

Really??? Is it bad on your hairline???

I really would love to avoid winstrol because I will have hair issues

**goose** · 01-12-2006, 07:43 AM

Originally Posted by scriptfactory

I was thinking about this also. It doesn't make sense to me... Anyone? I miss Hooker...

Yes it doesn't make sence,you have many guys on this forum who have run drol at 200mgs for 10 weeks,and the results came clean.Your telling me I cant mix Var\Tbol it`s a joke.

goose4..

chinups · 01-12-2006, 07:49 AM

I am going to look into anavar /tbol and probably will do it

Post your results and sides you had goose.

Thanks

**goose** · 01-12-2006, 07:50 AM

Originally Posted by chinups

Really??? Is it bad on your hairline???

I really would love to avoid winstrol because I will have hair issues

I have never read or had any problems with hairline sides on Tbol.Dont expect big things with Tbol,but the gains are very lean

This is what I have found with Tbol,it needs time, 6 weeks I find is to short,8-10 is perfect,thats when you see great results.

goose4..

chinups · 01-12-2006, 07:54 AM

I have 50 days worth of anavar and will probably do the same with the TBOL. With cardio and diet I will see sick results for 50 days the other stuff will be in addition.

Waht are the price ranges and dosages associated with T bol

**goose** · 01-12-2006, 08:05 AM

Originally Posted by chinups

I am going to look into anavar /tbol and probably will do it

Post your results and sides you had goose.

Thanks

To be safe,the golden rule when you run both is to limit the both to 100mgs,so the total 17aa doesn`t exceed this level.

I would run Var at 40 and Tbol at 60.Tbol increases libido and appetitie,whereas Var decreases both,Tbol dose is maintained higher than Var dose throughout the cycle to counteract these sides.Since you have not ran Tbol before,I think you will gain 15Ilbs of solid muscle,depends if you run other things with it.

goose4..

chinups · 01-12-2006, 08:08 AM

What I was going to do is run it with anavar and clen
Anavar I have liquid and will run 50 days 50 mg
Dbol I can get it in the 200 packs so 50 days would be 40mg a day
Clen 2 on 2 off
Then all the basic for liver and what not
No test this time

Whatcha think?

**goose** · 01-12-2006, 08:09 AM

Originally Posted by chinups

I have 50 days worth of anavar and will probably do the same with the TBOL. With cardio and diet I will see sick results for 50 days the other stuff will be in addition.

Waht are the price ranges and dosages associated with T bol

Great news Tbol is cheap!!!! For me Var is 3 times more expensive.

goose4..

**goose** · 01-12-2006, 08:16 AM

Originally Posted by chinups

What I was going to do is run it with anavar and clen
Anavar I have liquid and will run 50 days 50 mg
Dbol I can get it in the 200 packs so 50 days would be 40mg a day
Clen 2 on 2 off
Then all the basic for liver and what not
No test this time

Whatcha think?

Looks good,a safe fun cycle,great thing is you will not get shut down,so you will keep most if not all your gains,I would use Clen in PCT.

goose4..

**Swifto** · 01-12-2006, 08:22 AM

Originally Posted by goose4

Great news Tbol is cheap!!!! For me Var is 3 times more expensive.

goose4..

I find Tbol is also cheap. Similar to the price of Dbol . In the UK anyhow.

**goose** · 01-12-2006, 08:26 AM

Originally Posted by Swifto

I find Tbol is also cheap. Similar to the price of Dbol. In the UK anyhow.

what part of the UK you from? Never you were a Brit

goose4..

**Swifto** · 01-12-2006, 08:32 AM

British born my friend!

The south, sussex.

**goose** · 01-12-2006, 08:36 AM

Originally Posted by Swifto

British born my friend!

The south, sussex.

Insane!!! I live in Brighton and train in London!!!

goose4..

**Swifto** · 01-12-2006, 08:39 AM

Originally Posted by goose4

Insane!!! I live in Brighton and train in London!!!

goose4..

I lived in Brighton for 18 years, then moved to Burgess Hill. I train at 'Cheetahs' usually. You know it?

**goose** · 01-12-2006, 08:48 AM

Originally Posted by Swifto

I lived in Brighton for 18 years, then moved to Burgess Hill. I train at 'Cheetahs' usually. You know it?

Had a mate who lived in Burgess Hill,hate it, use to go to that one club you have,the only one,cant remember the name

'Cheetahs' at king Alfred,use to train there years ago,I live 10 mins from that gym

Good price,is it still 250 quid for a year?

goose4..

**Swifto** · 01-12-2006, 08:52 AM

Originally Posted by goose4

Had a mate who lived in Burgess Hill,hate it, use to go to that one club you have,the only one,cant remember the name

'Cheetahs' at king Alfred,use to train there years ago,I live 10 mins from that gym

Good price,is it still 250 quid for a year?

goose4..

Been out in Burgess Hill once, its rubbish. Normally go to Brighton.

No, its £192 now!

**goose** · 01-12-2006, 09:01 AM

Originally Posted by Swifto

Been out in Burgess Hill once, its rubbish. Normally go to Brighton.

No, its £192 now!

What the standard like these days? Any pro`s? Any big dudes? Athletes? Fit girls?

goose4..

**Swifto** · 01-12-2006, 09:06 AM

Originally Posted by goose4

What the standard like these days? Any pro`s? Any big dudes? Athletes? Fit girls?

goose4..

There are some big poeple in their. No Pros. Many competiters though, National and Regional. Some of the competiters are 260+lbs. Some strong powerlifters too.

chinups · 01-12-2006, 09:07 AM

hello??? anavar tbol??? hello

J/k as you were boys

goose when u can pm me some info about ur cycle if you have anything written on supps and results and sides. That is if you have that kinda log

**goose** · 01-12-2006, 09:23 AM

Originally Posted by chinups

hello??? anavar tbol??? hello

J/k as you were boys

goose when u can pm me some info about ur cycle if you have anything written on supps and results and sides. That is if you have that kinda log

Calling for duty,Will PM you later,need to go and eat meal 4

goose4..

**vitor** · 01-12-2006, 09:41 AM

I tried t-bol once and I found it to be much more effective than var for muscle gains. Var promotes greate strenght though.
A greate cycle would be:
t-bol 50mgs ed 1-10
var 50mgs ed 1-10
primo 1gram 1-12
andriol - 6 tabs a day
proviron -50mgs ed 1-12

That will probaly be my next cycle!

**goose** · 01-12-2006, 09:45 AM

Originally Posted by vitor

I tried t-bol once and I found it to be much more effective than var for muscle gains. Var promotes greate strenght though.
A greate cycle would be:
t-bol 50mgs ed 1-10
var 50mgs ed 1-10
primo 1gram 1-12
andriol - 6 tabs a day
proviron -50mgs ed 1-12

That will probaly be my next cycle!

What a cycle!!! Thats what I`m talking about!!!

goose4...