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**SWBulk02** · 01-12-2006, 01:56 AM

I am 21 years old and an intermediate to the weight lifting seen, my weight as of now is about 180, i was looking for a serious mass stack if anyone knows a mass stack that has worked let me know. Thanks

**jkdpress10** · 01-12-2006, 01:57 AM

Tesy Cyp

**chest6** · 01-12-2006, 01:58 AM

Your mass stack is food. Take a trip to the diet forum and look at the bulking sticky.

**SWBulk02** · 01-12-2006, 02:03 AM

With I eat and can gain the pounds I just need a stack that will gain more solid mass and have a solid weight gain all around..

**Tren Bull** · 01-12-2006, 02:04 AM

heres a good stack imo

week 1-4: 40 mgs dbol ed
week 1-4: 250 mgs sustanon e3d
week 5-12: 250 mgs sustanon eod
week 1-12: 400 mgs tren enathate once a week

if you have never cycled before then you would probably be better off just doing 500 mgs a week of test enanthate for 10-12 weeks. also, its important to run clen during pct to keep as much as possible.

**Tren Bull** · 01-12-2006, 02:06 AM

btw, as far as making solid and keepable gains, equi, tren and winstrol are all very good

**SWBulk02** · 01-12-2006, 02:09 AM

thanks a lot for your help. do u know someone who has done the stack before that gained a lot of mass?

**Tren Bull** · 01-12-2006, 02:16 AM

i ran something similar on my last cycle and gained damn near 35 pounds in 6 weeks. the cycle i ran was as follows

week 1-6: 25 mgs dbol ed
week 1-10: 300 mgs test enanthate every week
week 1-10: 300 mgs deca every week
week 3-10: 560 mgs tren acetate every week

unfortuneately for me, i didn't gain much of anything when i finished the dbol. thats why i think its a good idea to up the test once your finished with the dbol.

**SWBulk02** · 01-12-2006, 02:17 AM

how much of that did u keep when the cycle was over?

**robkesl** · 01-12-2006, 02:19 AM

i do have to note, that the cycle is a horrible stack for a first cycle,
SWbulk, dont even think about taking those chemicals,

just stick with a test e cycle, maybe add some deca , its an excellant bulk cycle,

**Tren Bull** · 01-12-2006, 02:20 AM

the majority of it, but thats cause i ran clen during pct, and stayed dedicated once i was done.

**SWBulk02** · 01-12-2006, 02:21 AM

what do you guys suggest i stack with dbol ? I just got some and need a good mass stack using that?

**SWBulk02** · 01-12-2006, 02:22 AM

thats good that u were able to keep most of the gain..

**Tren Bull** · 01-12-2006, 02:23 AM

thats for sure. if you immediately start taking lots of gear, then you're gonna need even more on your next cycle. besides, its possible to make just as much gains off the test/deca or equi. it would be ideal to use equi cause its gains are more solid and more keepable than deca.

**Tren Bull** · 01-12-2006, 02:25 AM

personally i love dbol , but i think its best to only use it to kickstart a cycle

**SWBulk02** · 01-12-2006, 02:25 AM

so u think test test e and a dbol cycle would be a good bulk cycle or should i get some equi?

**Tren Bull** · 01-12-2006, 02:28 AM

would that be your first cycle?

**SWBulk02** · 01-12-2006, 02:29 AM

yea it would be my first cycle?

**SWBulk02** · 01-12-2006, 02:34 AM

actually i did a 8 week cycle of test pro but did not bulk so i dont know if it is for a cut cycle or not. i want to see good mass gain.. It would be my first stack cycle i meant..

**Tren Bull** · 01-12-2006, 02:35 AM

i think it would be best to run test enanthate at 500 mgs a week and equi at 400 mgs a week. the thing is that equi is good, but its weak. the more cycles you do, the less it will work for you, so its best to get all the usefulness out of it now. save the dbol for later, that sh_t is strong and it will always work for you.

**SWBulk02** · 01-12-2006, 02:36 AM

for how many weeks? and how much mass u think i could put on with these 2?

**SWBulk02** · 01-12-2006, 02:38 AM

i also have some nova and clomid for my pct or how do u think i should go about taking the clomid and nova?

**Tren Bull** · 01-12-2006, 02:44 AM

run the test/equi stack for about 10 weeks, maybe 12. as far as the nolva goes, run it at 20 mgs ed through the duration of your cycle, and at least 2 months after you're done with your cycle. the clomid should be taken about 3 weeks after your last shot. run it at 210 mgs ed for 6 days, then run 150 mgs ed for another 6 days, then lower it to about 100 mgs, and continue at this dose for 2 weeks. also, use clen starting the day after your last shot. this will make you keep much more than you would keep if you didn't use it.

**SWBulk02** · 01-12-2006, 02:46 AM

a loy of times i read about taking vitamin b6 is their any rhyme or reason for this?

**Tren Bull** · 01-12-2006, 02:50 AM

supposedly vit b6 helps prevent progesterone related gyno

**SWBulk02** · 01-12-2006, 02:53 AM

so u think i should save my dbol for a later date or do a kick start to the test en and equi? isnt the equi a long run steroid and test take a while as well?

**Tren Bull** · 01-12-2006, 03:02 AM

well technically its true that the test enanthate and equi will take awhile to kick in, but if you throw in the dbol on your first cycle its gonna lower the effectiveness of all types of gear in your later cycles.

**SWBulk02** · 01-12-2006, 03:04 AM

oh ok i c. u think as of now thats a good cycle the test en and equi u think anything else like sustanon or someting else?

**SWBulk02** · 01-12-2006, 03:08 AM

do u think i should add something as a kick to jump start the cycle or leave it be?

**AnatomicallyBlessed** · 01-12-2006, 03:09 AM

Originally Posted by SWBulk02

so u think i should save my dbol for a later date or do a kick start to the test en and equi? isnt the equi a long run steroid and test take a while as well?

because you have used test prop before, use dbol to kickstart your cycle

**SWBulk02** · 01-12-2006, 03:09 AM

u think i should add something as a kick to jump start the cycle say a sustanon eod or maybe something else?

**AnatomicallyBlessed** · 01-12-2006, 03:11 AM

Originally Posted by SWBulk02

u think i should add something as a kick to jump start the cycle say a sustanon eod or maybe something else?

could use test prop

**Tren Bull** · 01-12-2006, 03:15 AM

sus is a good type of test, although i think it would be better to use prop or dbol as a kickstart. preferably dbol, cause its strong, and also works very fast.

**SWBulk02** · 01-12-2006, 03:17 AM

tren bull could u tell me the diff between test pro and test en?

**Tren Bull** · 01-12-2006, 03:22 AM

the difference is in the esters that are attatched to the testosterone . test enanthate has a much longer half life (about 7 days) while test prop has a half life of about a day or two. also, the enanthate ester is a little heavier, so 100 mgs of test prop will have more test in it then 100 mgs of test enanthate. supposedly test prop hurts more than test enanthate, although ive run both, and found that the test enanthate 400 hurt more than test prop 200.

**Tren Bull** · 01-12-2006, 03:24 AM

ive also heard that generally speaking, test enanthate causes more water retention than test prop, although i personally didn't see much of a difference.

**AnatomicallyBlessed** · 01-12-2006, 03:24 AM

Originally Posted by Tren Bull

sus is a good type of test, although i think it would be better to use prop or dbol as a kickstart. preferably dbol, cause its strong, and also works very fast.

i suggest both