Vets: How do you keep strength gains?!?

**Grappler13** · 01-19-2006, 02:10 PM

This is my first cycle and I'm running 30mg dbol /ed for 4 weeks and am running 500mg test-e/wk for ten weeks. Nolva @ 20mg/ed and will add clomid for pct.

Question: I'm on day 20 and have seen some nice strength and size gains (I'm up from 189 to 201 and look lean). Size aside, I want to keep as much of the strength I get out of this cycle. What do y'all advise (lifting, diet, sleep, anything). Thanks in advance

**Booz** · 01-19-2006, 02:15 PM

do you have a proper pct lined up at all??

**Grappler13** · 01-19-2006, 02:19 PM

Originally Posted by booz

do you have a proper pct lined up at all??

I believe so. I have plenty of lion clomid and lion nolva. I seem to be reading that I should continue the nolva and incorporate the clomid at 14 days after my last test-e shot. I was planning on taking clomid 100mg/ed for the first week and then 50mg/ed 'till I feel back to normal (maybe get a blood test at week four of clomid therapy. Also, I was going to continue the nolva at 20mg/ed through pct. Sound good?

**Booz** · 01-19-2006, 02:22 PM

yup you got it down baby!!though i would do pct like this.
300mg day1
100mg day2-10
50 mg day 11-30,or until your boys are up and runnin!!run the nolva throughout and for around a week after!

**DEVLDOG** · 01-19-2006, 02:29 PM

While its possable to keep some increase it will be no where near what it is now,reason being you will lose the water weight and this is what acts as a cushion to your joints.you could try using creatine post cycle to retain some water weight but its just part of going off,this is one of the reasons i havent been off in 17 months,I hate pct !!

**Grappler13** · 01-19-2006, 02:33 PM

Originally Posted by DEVLDOG

While its possable to keep some increase it will be no where near what it is now,reason being you will lose the water weight and this is what acts as a cushion to your joints.you could try using creatine post cycle to retain some water weight but its just part of going off,this is one of the reasons i havent been off in 17 months,I hate pct !!

I know my muscles are going to lose water and look smaller but what about my strength? If I keep lifting hard, can I (let's say I'm the average guy) keep a large portion of the strength? Let's say I put on twenty pounds of weight during the cycle; with proper diet and pct, what does the average joe keep as to size and power?

**Grappler13** · 01-19-2006, 03:02 PM

Bump Please. First-timers are dying to hear what the vets have to say about this.

**dirtyi730** · 01-19-2006, 03:58 PM

Originally Posted by DEVLDOG

While its possable to keep some increase it will be no where near what it is now,reason being you will lose the water weight and this is what acts as a cushion to your joints.you could try using creatine post cycle to retain some water weight but its just part of going off,this is one of the reasons i havent been off in 17 months,I hate pct !!

wow, you are hard core doggie!

**Grappler13** · 01-19-2006, 04:05 PM

Bump Bump Bump Bump

**Hard Head** · 01-19-2006, 04:19 PM

HGH??
More Juice??

**dirtyi730** · 01-19-2006, 04:24 PM

Originally Posted by DEVLDOG

While its possable to keep some increase it will be no where near what it is now,reason being you will lose the water weight and this is what acts as a cushion to your joints.you could try using creatine post cycle to retain some water weight but its just part of going off,this is one of the reasons i havent been off in 17 months,I hate pct !!

you are dying for an answer but you have already gotten one, you see this post, the fact is it is hard to keep gains, that's why this guy said FVCK pct, i don't recommend you consider this unless you want to be on juice for life, the best you can do is the proper pct and you already got it down, just do the pct and you will lose some but you also will have gained some, it's just the nature of the beast, don't focus on what you'll lose, focus on what progress you have made

good luck

**Grappler13** · 01-19-2006, 04:28 PM

Originally Posted by dirtyi730

you are dying for an answer but you have already gotten one, you see this post, the fact is it is hard to keep gains, that's why this guy said FVCK pct, i don't recommend you consider this unless you want to be on juice for life, the best you can do is the proper pct and you already got it down, just do the pct and you will lose some but you also will have gained some, it's just the nature of the beast, don't focus on what you'll lose, focus on what progress you have made

good luck

Thanks. I'm keeping meticulous records so I can report back to the board post cycle.