Dumb cycles!

**Phenom** · 01-20-2006, 06:10 PM

Bro's- just after some opinions on my 4th cycle......, my first 3 have been pretty dumb due to lack of knowledge- so dont abuse me too much about them!

1st cycle was; 250mg sus + 100mg deca every 4th day for 4 weeks.

2nd cycle was 250mg test e + 100mg deca every 4th day for 5 weeks

3rd cycle was 40mg D-bol for 4 weeks along with 250mg sus every 3 days for 10 weeks.

I did pct after each course- hgc shot in week 2 and 3 after last AAS shot.

Next cycle i'm planning:

weeks 1-5= 40mg D-bol per day

weeks 1-10= 500mg test e

weeks 1-10= 400mg deca

weeks 12-13= 1500 i.u. Hgc and 20mg Tamoxifen per day

Does that sound a bit more like it?

Thanks bro's

**chest6** · 01-20-2006, 06:15 PM

HCG is not good for PCT. I would replace it with clomid. Run HCG week 11-12 and then start the clomid/nolva on week 13

**Phenom** · 01-20-2006, 06:16 PM

Originally Posted by chest6

HCG is not good for PCT. I would replace it with clomid. Run HCG week 11-12 and then start the clomid/nolva on week 13

hmmmm- interesting. Why is it not good for pct then bro?

**EdMan2** · 01-20-2006, 08:20 PM

Originally Posted by Phenom

hmmmm- interesting. Why is it not good for pct then bro?

It's suppressive of natural test so it won't let your body start producing effectively like clomid will.

**Milky87** · 01-20-2006, 08:27 PM

It doesnt solve everything. You should be using something like nolvadex , THEN considering adding HCG

^Only in high doses

**Zomboo** · 01-20-2006, 09:21 PM

I'm a n00b to the boards, and I'll probably get flamed, but IMHO if you're gonna go with these AAS, I would up your cycle to 12 weeks like this:

weeks 1-6 = 30mg D-bol every day

weeks 1-12 = 500mg test e

weeks 1-12 = 400mg deca

weeks 1-17 = Nolva 10-20mg/day

weeks 1-17 = Vitamin B-6 200mg/day

PCT with Clomid

If you have your heart set on only doing 10 weeks, then shorten it by 2 weeks on every level.

weeks 1-4 = 30mg D-bol every day

weeks 1-10 = 500mg test e

weeks 1-10 = 400mg deca

weeks 1-15 = Nolva 10-20mg/day

weeks 1-15 = Vitamin B-6 200mg/day

PCT with Clomid

**Anabolios** · 01-20-2006, 10:06 PM

nah...gotta run the deca one week less than the test e to line up pct correctly d bol for 4 weeks @30mg/ed and pct is 100mg clomid/ed and 40mg nolva/ed for a month and PCT starts 2 weeks after your last test e shot....run deca for 12 weeks and test e for 13
looks good otherwise
inject twice weekly...monday mornings thursday nights

good luck

**Phenom** · 01-21-2006, 09:04 AM

Originally Posted by Anabolios

nah...gotta run the deca one week less than the test e to line up pct correctly d bol for 4 weeks @30mg/ed and pct is 100mg clomid/ed and 40mg nolva/ed for a month and PCT starts 2 weeks after your last test e shot....run deca for 12 weeks and test e for 13
looks good otherwise
inject twice weekly...monday mornings thursday nights

good luck

Ok- so you're saying that 2 weeks after my test e i start taking 40mg nolva/ed and inject 100mg clomid every single day for a month?! But not do any Nolva or clomid whilst "on" cycle right?

**ant_8u** · 01-21-2006, 09:29 AM

Originally Posted by Phenom

Ok- so you're saying that 2 weeks after my test e i start taking 40mg nolva/ed and inject 100mg clomid every single day for a month?! But not do any Nolva or clomid whilst "on" cycle right?

Don't inject the stuff!

**ant_8u** · 01-21-2006, 09:32 AM

Weeks1-6 Dbol 30mg ED
Weeks 1-13 Test Enth 500mg
Weeks 1-12 Deca 400mg

Weeks 1-15 Letro 0.5mg ED
Weeks 16-18 Nolvadex 20mg ED
Weeks 16-18 Clomid 100mg ED

**goalseeker** · 01-21-2006, 10:08 AM

Originally Posted by ant_8u

Weeks1-6 Dbol 30mg ED
Weeks 1-13 Test Enth 500mg
Weeks 1-12 Deca 400mg

Weeks 1-15 Letro 0.5mg ED
Weeks 16-18 Nolvadex 20mg ED
Weeks 16-18 Clomid 100mg ED

I agree....but for a FOURTH cycle, me personally, I would be upping the Dbol, and running more test than that..
Im on my third, and am taking double the test, and double the deca...and drol at 100ed. but thats just my body.....everyone is different. And I may have a different goal....

**karln** · 01-21-2006, 10:14 AM

run hcg 500iu from week 4 twice a week during the entire cycle until pct

**ant_8u** · 01-21-2006, 10:15 AM

Nearly forgot
Weeks 1-15 Vitamin B6 200mg ED
But you already knew that

**Phenom** · 01-21-2006, 10:20 AM

Thanks bro's-
I aint going too mad on the doses yet as my first few cycles were a bit of a joke. Wanna crack one real good one before i start upping the mgs/week.

**cfiler** · 01-21-2006, 12:32 PM

weeks 1-4= 40mg D-bol per day

weeks 1-12= 500mg test e

weeks 1-10= 400mg deca

weeks 14 start PCT with nolva and clomid

Your last cycles were not good, the first two you stopped before they even started to "kick in" I wouldn't go too heavy on this cycle. You don't need anything stronger imo.

**Booz** · 01-21-2006, 12:49 PM

Originally Posted by cfiler

weeks 1-4= 40mg D-bol per day

weeks 1-12= 500mg test e

weeks 1-10= 400mg deca

weeks 14 start PCT with nolva and clomid

Your last cycles were not good, the first two you stopped before they even started to "kick in" I wouldn't go too heavy on this cycle. You don't need anything stronger imo.

this is the best option that has been given in this thread,6 weeks of dbol

after the last shot of test up the nolva to 20mg ed and run this constant throughout your pct!

**Swifto** · 01-21-2006, 12:55 PM

Originally Posted by EdMan2

It's suppressive of natural test so it won't let your body start producing effectively like clomid will.

HCG will mimic LH, thus raising levels of testosterone . The only drawback being it also raises levels of estrogen.

It can infact be used effectivly during PCT. I use HCG for PCT as Clomid brings emotional/eye sight probelms I'd rather avoid.

**Phenom** · 01-21-2006, 08:35 PM

Originally Posted by Swifto

HCG will mimic LH, thus raising levels of testosterone . The only drawback being it also raises levels of estrogen.

It can infact be used effectivly during PCT. I use HCG for PCT as Clomid brings emotional/eye sight probelms I'd rather avoid.

Sh#t bro, the last thing i need is emotional problems- as it is right now i'm either wanting to cry my eyes out at the slightest upset with my missis, or fvcking rip someones face off at the first sign of conflict or disagreement! What is my best option bearing in mind my fragile mental disposition?
After my last course i started taking Animal Stak2 which is a natural test booster and 4 weeks after my last shot and strength is just as good as when i was "on". I done hgc on weeks 2 and 3 after my last sustanon jab and according to the tape measure i aint lost any size yet? I read some bad things about clomid in Musclemag a few months back. Anyone else see that?

**Phenom** · 01-23-2006, 11:22 AM

Ok, found the article- it was in the March 2005 issue number 274. It says at the end of the article "for more information visit- www.nelsonmontana.com

It was a good read and threw a lot of doubt on the effectiveness of clomid and its side effects and the crash people experienced after coming off it.