Solidifying gains towards end of cycle

**fballhoss51** · 02-04-2006, 07:25 PM

to end a 13 week prop cycle

to solidify my gains better would 6 weeks of winstrol or anavar be a better choice?

i was thinking of using winstrol at first but now i am pondering on var

**Pinnacle** · 02-04-2006, 07:38 PM

Proper PCT/Diet solidifies gains...drugs at cycle end do not.

If anyone has any clinical studies to support that theory/myth..please post them up.

THX

**topvega** · 02-04-2006, 11:01 PM

I agree 100% with pinn.... pct and diet are the key to keeping as much of your gains as possible... keep your cals up, and get your nuts up and running as fast as possible...

**goalseeker** · 02-05-2006, 12:45 AM

At the same time, Ive read tons of threads on cycles where there is winny, or var or something else at the end of the cycle to help with this... I would imagine it must help somewhat, otherwise why would it always be included?

**topvega** · 02-05-2006, 12:49 AM

Originally Posted by goalseeker

At the same time, Ive read tons of threads on cycles where there is winny, or var or something else at the end of the cycle to help with this... I would imagine it must help somewhat, otherwise why would it always be included?

The only thing I wld do is end with prop... this way u make a better transition into pct... instead of waiting so long after your last shot of test c or e...

**goalseeker** · 02-05-2006, 12:53 AM

Originally Posted by topvega

The only thing I wld do is end with prop... this way u make a better transition into pct... instead of waiting so long after your last shot of test c or e...

yeah, that makes sense...

***Narkissos*** · 02-05-2006, 01:01 AM

Originally Posted by Pinnacle

Proper PCT/Diet solidifies gains...drugs at cycle end do not.

If anyone has any clinical studies to support that theory/myth..please post them up.

THX

ditto

~Narkissos

**hosam4ever** · 02-05-2006, 10:36 AM

their is nothing called solidifing bcoz any gains can b lost easily but drugs like winny gives the muscles the solid & veiny look

**Testostack** · 02-05-2006, 01:51 PM

Originally Posted by Pinnacle

Proper PCT/Diet solidifies gains...drugs at cycle end do not.

If anyone has any clinical studies to support that theory/myth..please post them up.

THX

Pinn is da man, totally agree w/ him.....and Pinn, hi!

, i'm back in the game

**fballhoss51** · 02-05-2006, 01:55 PM

i kno pct is needed

i am just speaking on coming out of a cycle weighing 240 but then slimming down to 225 a month later, less water weight, more end of cycle strength being that u will lose some strength

what would be best

**Pinnacle** · 02-05-2006, 02:04 PM

Originally Posted by fballhoss51

what would be best

OK,as long as you don't think drugs will make or break the gains you've made during cycle

winny/masteron at cycles end is an awesome combo for muscle hardness and strength

~Pinnacle~

**Drummerboy** · 02-05-2006, 02:08 PM

what about tren ? makes me hard as a rock.

**fballhoss51** · 02-05-2006, 02:21 PM

Originally Posted by Pinnacle

OK,as long as you don't think drugs will make or break the gains you've made during cycle

winny/masteron at cycles end is an awesome combo for muscle hardness and strength

~Pinnacle~

gracias

so winny over var?

**Pinnacle** · 02-05-2006, 02:27 PM

Originally Posted by fballhoss51

gracias

so winny over var?

Most definitely bro.I was never a real big fan of Winny til I ran a high dose of it and saw what this drug can really do.At a higher dose,winny is a kick ass drug bro.I never thought I'd say that about winny,but it's really true.At 50 mgs ED the drug isn't worth a dam though

~Pinnacle~

**MatrixGuy** · 02-05-2006, 02:31 PM

Originally Posted by Pinnacle

Most definitely bro.I was never a real big fan of Winny til I ran a high dose of it and saw what this drug can really do.At a higher dose,winny is a kick ass drug bro.I never thought I'd say that about winny,but it's really true.At 50 mgs ED the drug isn't worth a dam though

~Pinnacle~

What did it do for you bro in terms of results? What dose were you running?

**Pinnacle** · 02-05-2006, 02:36 PM

Originally Posted by MatrixGuy

What did it do for you bro in terms of results? What dose were you running?

150 mgs ED for 4 weeks.My BF was already under 10% at the time,but I did loose BF rapidly on that dose and it gave me that hard,chiseled look very similar to masteron .I had that pumped look all day long and if I picked up a glass of water veins would just burst out on my arms ect.Never thought that much of winny til I gave this dose a try.Impressive I must say.And didn't have any of the ugly sides either.

**MatrixGuy** · 02-05-2006, 02:44 PM

Originally Posted by Pinnacle

150 mgs ED for 4 weeks.My BF was already under 10% at the time,but I did loose BF rapidly on that dose and it gave me that hard,chiseled look very similar to masteron.I had that pumped look all day long and if I picked up a glass of water veins would just burst out on my arms ect.Never thought that much of winny til I gave this dose a try.Impressive I must say.And didn't have any of the ugly sides either.

Interesting! Thanx bro.

**fballhoss51** · 02-05-2006, 02:45 PM

Originally Posted by Pinnacle

150 mgs ED for 4 weeks.My BF was already under 10% at the time,but I did loose BF rapidly on that dose and it gave me that hard,chiseled look very similar to masteron.I had that pumped look all day long and if I picked up a glass of water veins would just burst out on my arms ect.Never thought that much of winny til I gave this dose a try.Impressive I must say.And didn't have any of the ugly sides either.

i was gonna use it at 50mg/day for 6 weeks

u think even as a first time user(of winstrol ) 150mg/day is proper?

**MatrixGuy** · 02-05-2006, 02:48 PM

How were your joints at that dose Pinn?

**Pinnacle** · 02-05-2006, 02:48 PM

Originally Posted by fballhoss51

i was gonna use it at 50mg/day for 6 weeks

u think even as a first time user(of winstrol) 150mg/day is proper?

No bro.I was just answering a question.

I would however consider 75 mgs ED.And only for 4 weeks

**Montgomery** · 02-05-2006, 02:49 PM

From the clen profile, I gathered that in using clen you adjust the lean mass to fat mass ratio of your body, and apparently this helps your body keep gains from a cycle because it gets used to the new mass it carries and homeostasis adjusts accordingly. That is, your body becomes more efficient at carrying the extra muscle mass and is less likely to shed it, as it would in a natural situation because it's inefficient for a human body to have huge muscle mass. Remember, your body will always do what's cheapest on energy for iteslf, and it's energetically costly to have lots and lots of muscle; just more mouths to feed.

I could be wrong in this though.

Montgomery

**Pinnacle** · 02-05-2006, 02:50 PM

Originally Posted by MatrixGuy

How were your joints at that dose Pinn?

Didn't bother my joints at all.EQ is the only drug that kills my joints

**fballhoss51** · 02-05-2006, 02:52 PM

Originally Posted by Pinnacle

No bro.I was just answering a question.

I would however consider 75 mgs ED.And only for 4 weeks

hm well i might have to adjust my $$ and order

i always hear kids saying they use winstrol once or twice a week (50mg per shot) and they see gains

they must be lyin if u saw nothing from 50mg/day

**Pinnacle** · 02-05-2006, 02:59 PM

Originally Posted by fballhoss51

they must be lyin if u saw nothing from 50mg/day

The results on 50 mgs ED are meager is all I'm saying bro.Nothing to write home about if you know what i mean?

**fballhoss51** · 02-05-2006, 03:00 PM

Originally Posted by Pinnacle

The results on 50 mgs ED are meager is all I'm saying bro.Nothing to write home about if you know what i mean?

yea i get u

well thanks for tha help

**Tren Bull** · 02-05-2006, 03:22 PM

Originally Posted by fballhoss51

to end a 13 week prop cycle

to solidify my gains better would 6 weeks of winstrol or anavar be a better choice?

i was thinking of using winstrol at first but now i am pondering on var

imo the best way to solidify your gains is to run something like tren or winstrol (stacked with a strong mass builder of coarse) for the entire duartion of your cycle, then run clenbuterol for at least 2 months after your last shot.

**fballhoss51** · 02-05-2006, 03:30 PM

Originally Posted by Tren Bull

imo the best way to solidify your gains is to run something like tren or winstrol (stacked with a strong mass builder of coarse) for the entire duartion of your cycle, then run clenbuterol for at least 2 months after your last shot.

i dont think itd be wise on my part to run winstrol for 13 weeks