Beginners Cycle - Advice? Suggestions?

[jrose15]

I've been reading these forums now for the past couple months, I sincerely believe that I at least have enough baseline knowledge/dedication/and willingness to move forward to start a cycle. That being said, here are some stats:
27 y/o, 6'1', 185 lbs., approx 15% body fat. I am a big time ectomorph I feel with my bone structure. I'm trying to put on weight, preferably lean muscle mass. I've been training relatively hard now for about 7 years. I eat like a horse. My metabolism obviously is quite fast, though I can definitely feel it slowing down slightly. I've tried everything else besides cycling: protein, creatine, weight gainer, etc. and after each, when I've gotten off it, have regressed back to my natural weight of 180-190 lbs. There is no staying power it's fleeting success. Actually just started taking propecia recently as well if that compounds matters ...
I've gotten my test levels measured in blood work, and while it hovers around 400, which I know is low and doctors have been reluctant to give me test because they claim while that number is 'low', it is in fact 'low normal', it also has been seen to fluctuate in the 200s also! I'm thinking that is definitely one of the reasons I am having trouble putting on mass and keeping it on - lean muscle mass not fat. So I'd like to go on a beginners cycle, maybe it will push my weight into the 200 lb. range?
I've read alot on here, people seem to think that 500 test EQ (250 X2 week) may be enough for a first cycle, along with novaldex/clom ... any thoughts or suggestions? Should I be taking something else along with that besides straight test EQ? Or is test EQ with nov/clom enough?
I appreciate any insight you guys might have.

[goalseeker]

test EQ? do you mean test enanthate ?
Its best to run straight test for the first cycle.. yes, 250 on tuesday and 250 on thursday should work fine for you...

[Bastard Samurai]

yeah bro, "EQ" means Equipoise or Boldenone , you can read up on it in the steroid profiles.

Test only should be your 1st cycle (most recommend Test Enthanate, also called test-E, for 12 weeks). Have some Nolvadex on hand in case you feel gyno coming on and also run clomid 100mg a day for 3 weeks (beginning 14 days after your last injection in wk 12).

[goalseeker]

I run my nolva right from the start of the cycle.. better to be safe than sorry...

[Kale]

test EQ? do you mean test enanthate ?
Its best to run straight test for the first cycle.. yes, 250 on tuesday and 250 on thursday should work fine for you...

I agree, first cycle 12 weeks, 500mg / week Test E and 10mg ED Nolvadex .
Diet is key here, you do know that dont you ? And porper PCT at the end of the cycle

[grimnlock]

1st cycle should be simple, don't mess it up with too many compounds.

Test @ 500mg per week
1cc Mon, 1cc Thurs
Nolva 10mg ED (i'm prone to water retention)

Start clomid for PCT, refer steroid half life for start time
PCT start times
Day 1-3: 100mg
Day 4-21: 50mg

23g, 1 1/4" pin in the glute. 23g 1" in the quads.

Nolva, Proviron can also be added to make PCT more effective.

HOW TO INJECT YOURSELF AND NOT LOSE YOUR LUNCH
By Dr. David T. Ryan
for elitfts
http://www.*************

We decided to print this article for the safety of all athletes that choose to use anabolics. We do not condone the use of AAS, especially with young athletes and teenagers. But we do realize that there are people that do use them and wish to give them some information on how to inject properly. If you have any moral or any other objections of the use of AAS, the please do not read the article. This is your choice as is the choice of those that use AAS. We have also decided to print this article as Dr. Ryan has had numerous obstacles in getting this published. We felt that this subject needed to be addressed.]

This whole article started with a shocking conversation I was having with a twenty year friend of mine and lifter. He was explaining about the procedure he would use to inject himself. The process of using an old/used needle to remove the solution from the bottle then applying a new ?fresh? needle to his syringe was rather shocking to me. He smiled and indicated that boastfully that he had done this for over twenty years. All I could think about were the large fibrotic lesions in his glutes that prevented him from further injection in those sites.

All too commonly the issues that are important are often never discussed by professionals until it is too late. This problem with that type of injection protocol is that you are taking a needle out of your dirty body (do you eat off of your ass?) and apply that needle, for the sake of keeping a sharp point, into a solution, just happy to grow the bacteria that is lodged in the needle and on it?s surface. Consider this, would you stick that needle into a bucket of paint then later shove that needle into your fresh bottle of EQ 200? Please consider that over the years of working medical research; I have seen bacteria grow in acid so strong you would have to open the chemical under a hood or burn your eyes and nose off ? it just takes time! NEVER STICK A NEEDLE FROM YOUR BODY BACK INTO ANYTHING THAT IS STERILE.

THESE ARE THE BASIC SAFE STEPS IN INJECTION:

1. Wash your hands and anyone else involved should wash their hands. 2. Use only clean needles to remove and inject any solution. 3. Prepare the area with a prep solution (i.e. rubbing alcohol or other sterilizer) 4. LEARN TO Z TRACK (listed below) 5. Never inject more than 5 cc?s / ml. into any one injection site. 6. Keep all items clean and dry after the injection. 7. Store all items properly.
Washing your hands may seem simple, but it is a very effective way to prevent the spread of germs and viruses.



Using a contaminated needle to remove solution from a bottle is playing Russian roulette with your health. Only use clean needles to puncture your skin or that of bottle. A single injection doesn?t dull the needle tip to any degree worth complaining about. It only helps in your head, maybe! Various prep solutions are necessary to clean the injection site; this prevents the normal bacteria that are present on the surface of the skin from being pushed into the body.

Z Tracking

This is a simple process of pulling the skin to one side to allow for a hole to be made in the skin and then displacing that same hole after the injection has been made. This displacement stops the leakage of the injected solution to the skin surface.


Wash your hands and make sure that everyone else does too.
Prepare the area with alcohol.
Prepare the injection needle and solution
Firmly displace the skin to one side.
Inject the needle and aspirate to make sure you have no blood and then inject contents appropriately.
Release the skin pressure.
Remove the needle from the injection point.
Clean and dispose of all materials appropriately.
Taken from the nurses hand book (referenced below), notice how the displaced skin will stop the backflow of the injected solution.

For those of you who would like a diagram: Click Here

Follow these easy steps to providing a safer more effective injection. Common sense goes a long way in medicine and yes, this is still a form of medicine.

also check this out...
http://www.breastcancerprofessional....nc/nursing.pdf

[grimnlock]

1st cycle should be simple, don't mess it up with too many compounds.

Test @ 500mg per week
1cc Mon, 1cc Thurs
Nolva 10mg ED (i'm prone to water retention)

Start clomid for PCT, refer steroid half life for start time
PCT start times
Day 1-3: 100mg
Day 4-21: 50mg

23g, 1 1/4" pin in the glute. 23g 1" in the quads.

Nolva, Proviron can also be added to make PCT more effective.

HOW TO INJECT YOURSELF AND NOT LOSE YOUR LUNCH
By Dr. David T. Ryan
for elitfts
http://www.*************

We decided to print this article for the safety of all athletes that choose to use anabolics. We do not condone the use of AAS, especially with young athletes and teenagers. But we do realize that there are people that do use them and wish to give them some information on how to inject properly. If you have any moral or any other objections of the use of AAS, the please do not read the article. This is your choice as is the choice of those that use AAS. We have also decided to print this article as Dr. Ryan has had numerous obstacles in getting this published. We felt that this subject needed to be addressed.]

This whole article started with a shocking conversation I was having with a twenty year friend of mine and lifter. He was explaining about the procedure he would use to inject himself. The process of using an old/used needle to remove the solution from the bottle then applying a new ?fresh? needle to his syringe was rather shocking to me. He smiled and indicated that boastfully that he had done this for over twenty years. All I could think about were the large fibrotic lesions in his glutes that prevented him from further injection in those sites.

All too commonly the issues that are important are often never discussed by professionals until it is too late. This problem with that type of injection protocol is that you are taking a needle out of your dirty body (do you eat off of your ass?) and apply that needle, for the sake of keeping a sharp point, into a solution, just happy to grow the bacteria that is lodged in the needle and on it?s surface. Consider this, would you stick that needle into a bucket of paint then later shove that needle into your fresh bottle of EQ 200? Please consider that over the years of working medical research; I have seen bacteria grow in acid so strong you would have to open the chemical under a hood or burn your eyes and nose off ? it just takes time! NEVER STICK A NEEDLE FROM YOUR BODY BACK INTO ANYTHING THAT IS STERILE.

THESE ARE THE BASIC SAFE STEPS IN INJECTION:

1. Wash your hands and anyone else involved should wash their hands. 2. Use only clean needles to remove and inject any solution. 3. Prepare the area with a prep solution (i.e. rubbing alcohol or other sterilizer) 4. LEARN TO Z TRACK (listed below) 5. Never inject more than 5 cc?s / ml. into any one injection site. 6. Keep all items clean and dry after the injection. 7. Store all items properly.
Washing your hands may seem simple, but it is a very effective way to prevent the spread of germs and viruses.



Using a contaminated needle to remove solution from a bottle is playing Russian roulette with your health. Only use clean needles to puncture your skin or that of bottle. A single injection doesn?t dull the needle tip to any degree worth complaining about. It only helps in your head, maybe! Various prep solutions are necessary to clean the injection site; this prevents the normal bacteria that are present on the surface of the skin from being pushed into the body.

Z Tracking

This is a simple process of pulling the skin to one side to allow for a hole to be made in the skin and then displacing that same hole after the injection has been made. This displacement stops the leakage of the injected solution to the skin surface.


Wash your hands and make sure that everyone else does too.
Prepare the area with alcohol.
Prepare the injection needle and solution
Firmly displace the skin to one side.
Inject the needle and aspirate to make sure you have no blood and then inject contents appropriately.
Release the skin pressure.
Remove the needle from the injection point.
Clean and dispose of all materials appropriately.
Taken from the nurses hand book (referenced below), notice how the displaced skin will stop the backflow of the injected solution.

For those of you who would like a diagram: Click Here

Follow these easy steps to providing a safer more effective injection. Common sense goes a long way in medicine and yes, this is still a form of medicine.

also check this out...
http://www.breastcancerprofessional....nc/nursing.pdf

[grimnlock]

Sorry!! Lag!!

[jrose15]

Thanks guys - I really appreciate the insight ... Right, I meant test eth NOT eq - understood ...
So 12 wks with test eth seems to be the consensus, along with some combo of nolva/clomid as seen above ...
And yes, I know diet and rest is extremely important - along with of course training hard. I'm going to try my best to really commit myself and be focused.

[jrose15]

So 12 weeks of test eth (250 mg twice/week) should run me about $250-$300? Just trying to get a ballpark figure here want to make sure I'm not being ripped off ...
I can get the nolva/clomid via ARR ...
Finally, the needle/syringe combo can be obtained from a medical supply store?
Lots of simple questions I know ... you can PM me if you wish to keep me from embarassing myself

[sp9]

So 12 weeks of test eth (250 mg twice/week) should run me about $250-$300? Just trying to get a ballpark figure here want to make sure I'm not being ripped off ...
I can get the nolva/clomid via ARR ...
Finally, the needle/syringe combo can be obtained from a medical supply store?
Lots of simple questions I know ... you can PM me if you wish to keep me from embarassing myself

Costs can depend on many things. It is a matter of risk mitigation. Importing yourself is lower priced but very high risk of customs seizure or selective scam. Domestic is more $ but negates the seizure risk coming into the country. You have the risk of going through internal shipping and the pack being damaged/opened, or delivered to the wrong place. Buying someplace local negates that risk and again increases cost because someone else had to go through all the risk.

For me cost is not a main decision factor, it is a good reputation, good security proceedures, and good service times. Personally I like to avoid any risks associated with importation and I also like to avoid the risks of a face to face transaction to minimize how many people know what I am doing.

We really don't talk prices in public, but you can get an idea by searching old posts. Check out the board rules thread for hints on your other question.

[jrose15]

Thank you very much for the response - I'll check up on it and see what info I can find