Nolva vs Clomid

**stumpy29** · 02-05-2006, 01:13 PM

Just wondering how many of you have used nolva only during pct. Getting ready to start pct and wondering if i can run nolva only during pct. Trying to avoid some of the sides associated with the clomid. If nolva only can be as effective as clomid and nolva.

***G-1000*** · 02-05-2006, 01:15 PM

what are you running for a cycle compounds dose and weeks????

**Swifto** · 02-05-2006, 01:19 PM

Originally Posted by stumpy29

Just wondering how many of you have used nolva only during pct. Getting ready to start pct and wondering if i can run nolva only during pct. Trying to avoid some of the sides associated with the clomid. If nolva only can be as effective as clomid and nolva.

Nolva is more effective on a mg/mg basis at raising natural testosterone levels than Clomid is. I use HCG /Nolva/Proviron for my PCT, avoiding Clomid all together.

Many peoples PCT varies. Some have positive effects off Nolva only, whilst others wont and will run Clomid/Nolva.

This is from Hooker's Profile on Nolva, found here: Anabolic Review Profile: Nolvadex (Tamoxifen Citrate)

"Nolvadex also has some important features for the steroid using athlete. In hypogonadic and infertile men given nolvadex, increases in the serum levels of LH, FSH, and most importantly, testosterone were all observed (2)(3). The best (rough) estimate I can give you from my research is that 20mgs of Nolvadex will raise your testosterone levels about 150% (5)...and this would of course greatly aid post-cycle-recovery. What this means to us is that if you take Nolvadex after a cycle, when you are trying to raise your levels of testosterone , LH, and FSH back to normal, it will greatly aid recovery. In fact, if I were limited to just one compound to aid me in post-cycle-recovery, Nolvadex would be my choice. If you want a comparison, it would require 150mgs of Clomid to accomplish that type of elevation in testosterone, but nolvadex also significantly increased the LH (Leutenizing Hormone) response to LHRL (5), after 6 weeks.
Some of the more harsh ancillary compounds available today will give you a more “dry” look that nolvadex can’t, but nolvadex is simply safer to use in long (over 16 week) cycles."

**Drummerboy** · 02-05-2006, 01:20 PM

this is a tired topic. there are about 10,000 threads on it.

**stumpy29** · 02-05-2006, 01:25 PM

compounds were wks 1-4 5omg dbol ed
wks 1-10 deca 600 mg's ew
wks 1-12 875 mg's test e upped dose to 1000 mg's 13-16

**Testostack** · 02-05-2006, 01:55 PM

That "eyes ****ed up" scares the hell outta me

**stocky121** · 02-05-2006, 01:57 PM

if i could only choose one i would take nolva

but i will always use both no problem's with my eye's ever

**Testostack** · 02-05-2006, 01:57 PM

Originally Posted by Drummerboy

this is a tired topic. there are about 10,000 threads on it.

you may be right but the thing is that you don"t always find out what you really want to hear and it's better doing things twice to be sure

**Testostack** · 02-05-2006, 01:59 PM

Originally Posted by stocky121

if i could only choose one i would take nolva

but i will always use both no problem's with my eye's ever

Oh hi!

I remember you, and thanks for the advice you gave me lately about my cycle and PCT. And btw, you look damn hard/vascular on the pic....congrats and keep it up

**stocky121** · 02-05-2006, 02:01 PM

Originally Posted by Testostack

Oh hi!

I remember you, and thanks for the advice you gave me lately about my cycle and PCT. And btw, you look damn hard/vascular on the pic....congrats and keep it up

not a problem mate that's what where all here for to help each other out

and thanx for the comment about pic

**Alex2** · 02-05-2006, 02:07 PM

Very good thread. I always wanted to ask the same question.

**PLAYA4LIFE** · 02-05-2006, 02:15 PM

nolvadex is becoming outdated and clomid is superior to it

**Swifto** · 02-05-2006, 02:20 PM

Originally Posted by PLAYA4LIFE

nolvadex is becoming outdated and clomid is superior to it

Please elaborate?

Did you mean Clomid is outdated and Nolva is superior to it?

**Alex2** · 02-05-2006, 02:24 PM

Originally Posted by PLAYA4LIFE

nolvadex is becoming outdated and clomid is superior to it

Are you sure about that? I read few threads here about members having vision problem from Clomid.

**stumpy29** · 02-05-2006, 03:13 PM

bump anymore views on this?

**legobricks** · 02-05-2006, 03:31 PM

Nolva is becoming more superior to Clomid. Its been shown on hookers profile for nolva that it is much more effective at raising test levels. Find it. Read it. Learn from it.

**drak** · 02-05-2006, 04:17 PM

Hmm what can fvck your eyes up? Is this common? I'm scared myself =]

**oldman** · 02-05-2006, 04:24 PM

Originally Posted by PLAYA4LIFE

nolvadex is becoming outdated and clomid is superior to it

some info here bro, you can't make a statement like that and not have some sort of proof to back it up.. If it is your opinion that is one things but you should not make a statement and not give why.

Oldman

**scotttiger54** · 02-05-2006, 11:43 PM

Originally Posted by PLAYA4LIFE

nolvadex is becoming outdated and clomid is superior to it

**testosterona** · 02-06-2006, 01:14 AM

i'm voting for nolva only. the reason is that iv tried it, and it works great. the second reason is i tried clomid/nolva and broke out BAD, back, shoulders, chest, on my face too! nolva only.....no sides at all. id also throw in a lil hcg pre PCT

**TRE** · 02-06-2006, 01:19 AM

I run them both, I trip out about my test levels and with how much gear I run for as long as I run it, you need them both

***JohnnyB*** · 02-06-2006, 04:54 PM

Originally Posted by Swifto

Nolva is more effective on a mg/mg basis at raising natural testosterone levels than Clomid is. I use HCG /Nolva/Proviron for my PCT, avoiding Clomid all together.

Many peoples PCT varies. Some have positive effects off Nolva only, whilst others wont and will run Clomid/Nolva.

This is from Hooker's Profile on Nolva, found here: Anabolic Review Profile: Nolvadex (Tamoxifen Citrate)

"Nolvadex also has some important features for the steroid using athlete. In hypogonadic and infertile men given nolvadex, increases in the serum levels of LH, FSH, and most importantly, testosterone were all observed (2)(3). The best (rough) estimate I can give you from my research is that 20mgs of Nolvadex will raise your testosterone levels about 150% (5)...and this would of course greatly aid post-cycle-recovery. What this means to us is that if you take Nolvadex after a cycle, when you are trying to raise your levels of testosterone , LH, and FSH back to normal, it will greatly aid recovery. In fact, if I were limited to just one compound to aid me in post-cycle-recovery, Nolvadex would be my choice. If you want a comparison, it would require 150mgs of Clomid to accomplish that type of elevation in testosterone, but nolvadex also significantly increased the LH (Leutenizing Hormone) response to LHRL (5), after 6 weeks.
Some of the more harsh ancillary compounds available today will give you a more “dry” look that nolvadex can’t, but nolvadex is simply safer to use in long (over 16 week) cycles."

You posted the study I was going to post. Here something to consider, nolva/clomid combo is a good recovery stack. The reason being nolva help with LH and clomid raises sperm count

JohnnyB

**Alex2** · 02-06-2006, 07:47 PM

Originally Posted by JohnnyB

You posted the study I was going to post. Here something to consider, nolva/clomid combo is a good recovery stack. The reason being nolva help with LH and clomid raises sperm count

JohnnyB

Do you mean Clomid is a must and the HCG /Nolva/Proviron stack is not good enough to raise the sperm count?