Comment my new cycle please :)

[KaevurMati]

I've done one cycle in the past. It was almost a year ago, Test E (wk 1-13), EQ (wk 1-12) and Dianabol (wk 1-4) cycle.

Since I got quite sick of injecting I decided to try oral only cycle now. I know that the main component should be Testosterone, but I'd want to find out if this cycle works for me.

Week 1-5 Dianabol 50mg/ED
Week 4-12 Anavar 60mg/ED
Week 13-16 Clomid + Nolva for PCT

I'm also running loads of liver protection while on Dianabol, probably will continue it for some time on Anavar too.

Any thoughts? Would it be OK if i'm interested in bulking up first and then cut? Trying to get more mass and in the end more leanness. So the goal is more muscle, less fat.

Right now I'm 85kg (190lbs) and 12% BF.

Sorry for my bad english. Thanks in advance.

[sp9]

I Personally would not do that cycle. Even though anavar is not as harsh on the liver, I would not do two orals without a few week break between them.

What gave you the idea to try that cycle?

Why were you tired of injections with 2 compunds that can be injected only twice per week? If you don't want to do a min of 2 injections per week, I think you should stay away from using.

[stupidhippo]

that cycle is dumb... I mean why risk more health problems with less gains.. just be a man and stick that needle in ur ass.. IMO the liver aint the worst threat in regards to orals.. its their adverse effect on lipid profile which can cause harm ini years to come. ADD TEST there and drop some of the orals..

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I've done one cycle in the past. It was almost a year ago, Test E (wk 1-13), EQ (wk 1-12) and Dianabol (wk 1-4) cycle.

Since I got quite sick of injecting I decided to try oral only cycle now. I know that the main component should be Testosterone, but I'd want to find out if this cycle works for me.

Week 1-5 Dianabol 50mg/ED
Week 4-12 Anavar 60mg/ED
Week 13-16 Clomid + Nolva for PCT

I'm also running loads of liver protection while on Dianabol, probably will continue it for some time on Anavar too.

Any thoughts? Would it be OK if i'm interested in bulking up first and then cut? Trying to get more mass and in the end more leanness. So the goal is more muscle, less fat.

Right now I'm 85kg (190lbs) and 12% BF.

Sorry for my bad english. Thanks in advance.

if yo dont want to inject then get Andriol oral testosterone "Goose4" are you there if you are get in here andriol is all about you


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[KaevurMati]

I Personally would not do that cycle. Even though anavar is not as harsh on the liver, I would not do two orals without a few week break between them.

What gave you the idea to try that cycle?

Why were you tired of injections with 2 compunds that can be injected only twice per week? If you don't want to do a min of 2 injections per week, I think you should stay away from using.

Well, I hoped to get some positive replies for this thread..

I injected 4 times a week for 13 weeks a row and I really got sick of it. Of course I will do some injectable cycles in the future, but right now I would want to try oral only cycle. If anyone could recommend better oral cycle for my goals, please feel free to do it. But lets stop talking about injectable AAS for now. Thanks.

[Ejuicer]

I've done one cycle in the past. It was almost a year ago, Test E (wk 1-13), EQ (wk 1-12) and Dianabol (wk 1-4) cycle.

Since I got quite sick of injecting I decided to try oral only cycle now. I know that the main component should be Testosterone, but I'd want to find out if this cycle works for me.

Week 1-5 Dianabol 50mg/ED
Week 4-12 Anavar 60mg/ED
Week 13-16 Clomid + Nolva for PCT

I'm also running loads of liver protection while on Dianabol, probably will continue it for some time on Anavar too.

Any thoughts? Would it be OK if i'm interested in bulking up first and then cut? Trying to get more mass and in the end more leanness. So the goal is more muscle, less fat.

Right now I'm 85kg (190lbs) and 12% BF.

Sorry for my bad english. Thanks in advance.

That cycle isn't good. Mediocre at best.

I dont understand why you were doing 4 shots a week off an enanthate/eq cycle anyways. Considering you could have cut the number in half that might be a good reason why you got sick of shooting.

[New Juice]

first all oral cycles are the pits for every reason under the sun, and second if you were going to do one that is not it...sorry you had a bad expeirence with test but suck it up...your not picking flowers your doing steroids. plus the test could of been a bad batch

[bolin]

you can do test e and deca or EQ... and stick yourslf 2 timea week....

500mg test e and 400mg deca......... mix 250mg test e with 200mg deca twice a week.... its not that bad.... BE A MAN!!!

[KaevurMati]

Ah well.. Glad that you are worried bros.

But still... Right now I seriously would want to do an oral only cycle. If anyone could recommend better oral cycle for my goals, please feel free to do it.

[KaevurMati]

you can do test e and deca or EQ... and stick yourslf 2 timea week....

500mg test e and 400mg deca......... mix 250mg test e with 200mg deca twice a week.... its not that bad.... BE A MAN!!!

Thanks for advice but I've done it. Please note that this cycle I would like to use orals only.

[chinups]

anavar/tbol

[SVTMuscle*]

ok man, everyone is commenting on your cycle and telling you that all oral's would be dumb and you need test.. and you've posted 3 times to all the guys who commented on your thread that your gonna do oral's, no injections and no test..
take the advice of people who obviously know more about AAS than you do.

[KaevurMati]

anavar/tbol

Thanks bro. Do you have any experiences with that cycle?

I've actually seen lots of posts where fellow members talk about experiences on orals only but cannot really find them.

[New Juice]

take SVT's advice and run with it

[chinups]

I did dbol/winny but shot the winstrol(zambons)

I am doing tbol/anavar shortly

[goalseeker]

I know you've read it enough, but...
orals only....

[SVTMuscle*]

he's not gonna listen anyways, especially since your canadian haha

[goalseeker]

he's not gonna listen anyways, especially since your canadian haha

HEY!! ..lol
haha..yeah, your prob right...

[Streitingen]

Winstrol @50-100mg ED for 5-8 weeks. But I would not go @100mg for 8 weeks...

[KaevurMati]

... especially since your canadian haha

American humour?

[KaevurMati]

Winstrol @50-100mg ED for 5-8 weeks. But I would not go @100mg for 8 weeks...

Additionally?

[stupidhippo]

u could even get by with injecting once a week... that would be better than an all oral cycle..

[KaevurMati]

Perhaps..

But still. Is it the best possible oral only cycle for my goals? Or not? That's my question..

[cutting_king]

you should run a search on t-bol. I've never used it personally but from what I've read on different peoples experiences it's a very good oral and gives excellent gains with minimal sides (be aware of stomach upsets) for strength you could stack with var. many people have had really good results with this cycle. whichever you choose to do make sure you research it fully in terms of liver toxicity and consider getting liver values checked during and after cycle. good luck

[sp9]

I see your goals, first mass then cut. Not to annoy you but to get both of these done in one cycle it usually requires more time than is recommended for only oral steroids.

Lets looks at DBOL + Anavar. I know there was a recent post by a guy name ross to try to turn everyone on this cycle. But lets just say there is a guy named ross that has traveled to many message boards where he has been banned for specific activites. So if you listened to one of his posts, throw that knowledge in the toilet.

Dbol is going to shut down your natural test production. It does this because it is a testosterone derived steroid. While you will bulk up on it, results are hard to maintain without a longer cycle that includes testosterone. If you then switch to anavar and drop the dbol as in your original post, your natural test is shut off at that time and you are introducing anavar which is a dihydrotestosterone derived steroid. So you are not introducing anything to get your test levels up which is key to keeping gains.


While anavar by itself as a cycle you may see great cutting results, and it might not shut down your own natural test production completey, you are introducing it in your example cycle after your natural test is completely shut down by the dbol. So basically once you are shut down from taking dbol, you are going with no test in your system for weeks. This is not only bad in terms of physical steroid results, but also in many emotional aspect of how testosterone effects, mood, well-being, sex drive, and other positive aspects of having a good level of testosterone circulating.

I am no expert in tbol, but if it shuts you down, you will find the same short commings when substituting it.

[Brent_G]

Just outta curiousity. HOw much worst is it to take orals compared to getting hammered 6 days a week in college? (stress on the liver)

anyone got some good reads for me im very curious

[goalseeker]

[QUOTE=Brent_G]Just outta curiousity. HOw much worst is it to take orals compared to getting hammered 6 days a week in college? (stress on the liver)
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ahhh.. I remember those good ol days...

[KaevurMati]

Thanks for the info sp9.

How about this cycle:

Week 1-5 Dianabol 50mg/ED
Week 1-12 Testosterone Cypionate 750mg/EW
Week 9-15 Winstrol 100mg/ED
Week 16-19 Nolva + Clomid

Would be good for my goals?

[chinups]

Where did that come from??? WOW
I would do dbol 1-4, you could do 5 I suppose but 4 would be better

MAKE SURE YOU TAKE SOEM ANTI BLOATING ESTRO SUPPS LIKE LETRO!!
You will bloat a bit from dbol/test but with some letro you would be fine


Perfect!

[sp9]

If chinupws likes it, it is a good sign. Those doses are high for a 2nd cycle. I have not used winny myself so I can comment on that. Dbol I would drop to 40mg and do weeks 1-4. If you want to do 5 weeks drop it to 35mg a day.

Test I would go to 600mg a week.

Othere than that it looks good. Can you spell out what the doses were on your first cycle?

[KaevurMati]

If chinupws likes it, it is a good sign. Those doses are high for a 2nd cycle. I have not used winny myself so I can comment on that. Dbol I would drop to 40mg and do weeks 1-4. If you want to do 5 weeks drop it to 35mg a day.

Test I would go to 600mg a week.

Othere than that it looks good. Can you spell out what the doses were on your first cycle?

The doses were 600mg Test E and 400mg EQ a week, which did not work for me very well. Although I got lots of sleep, trained correctly, consumed 350g protein a day (with very strict diet) etc.

So that's why I'd like to try higher dose. 600mg really didn't do much but just shut me down. The batch couldn't be bad because I used 3 different manufacturers (mostly Iranian test, in the end when I ran out of it Galenika and some spanish test)

Also, I used 30mg Dbol first 4 weeks to kick in. All I got were stomach aches. Had no bp rise or head aches luckily. Noticed pumps like hell though, but they were gone soon after training.

[chinups]

If you were using 600mg a week of test and did not get results A you should never do steriods EVER or B your junk was BUNK!

[sp9]

If you were using 600mg a week of test and did not get results A you should never do steriods EVER or B your junk was BUNK!

Agreed on the aspect of no results at 600 equals bad/weak gear. Were all three brands from the same source? If so, make sure your new stuff is from someone else and PM a mod here to make sure they are legit if it is someone who does business via email/internet.

[KaevurMati]

Agreed on the aspect of no results at 600 equals bad/weak gear. Were all three brands from the same source? If so, make sure your new stuff is from someone else and PM a mod here to make sure they are legit if it is someone who does business via email/internet.

I have only one serious source in my country, one former Russian bodybuilder. But he is very trustworthy man and all our bodybuilders use his gear. He gets his gear from Europe mostly, some stuff come from Russia and China too.

Anyhow. I don't remember telling that 600mg test didn't work for me. I said that it didn't do much which in my opinion can be understood that I wasn't 100% satisfied with the results. I did gain 5 lbs of lean mass and dropped like 3% bodyfat though.

Perhaps my hopes were too high but this time they are certainly not. By the way, I kept ALL my gains, in fact I continued gaining strength and mass even 5-6 weeks after the last shot of Test and EQ while I was doing PCT. I never had any depression either that some people notice, I felt very very good all the time and still do actually. I think only bad thing was losing sex drive for a month or so.

Also, I was injecting myself very unproffessionally. I hit arter or veins most of the time. This time I'm letting an advanced proffessional to inject me once a week. I can't use him more than once a week so that's also the reason I chose Cypionate.

[sp9]

You should post your diet in the diet forum and your goals. List each meal and what you are eating and how much of it. You saif the protein but others will be able to tell if you are eating enough to reach your goal.

[KaevurMati]

You should post your diet in the diet forum and your goals. List each meal and what you are eating and how much of it. You saif the protein but others will be able to tell if you are eating enough to reach your goal.

I don't have time nor that good english to post whole eating plan. I would say that the diet I had on my last cycle is very similar to Jay Cutler's 2005 Olympia preparation in his webpage. Right now I'm eating less, about 275 grams of protein, 400g carbs and 100 grams of fat a day.

A friend of mine is local bodybuilder and he has said only good words about my eating.

[chinups]

600mg a week and you gained 5 lbs. His stuff is shaky at best. You take some nice american test even from an underground lab and you would do much better. I can gain 5 lbs and lose 3% BF with heavy clean eating

[KaevurMati]

600mg a week and you gained 5 lbs. His stuff is shaky at best. You take some nice american test even from an underground lab and you would do much better. I can gain 5 lbs and lose 3% BF with heavy clean eating

Perhaps I just didn't inject correctly enough?

[stupidhippo]

which country u from?

[chinups]

Perhaps I just didn't inject correctly enough?

I mean that is possible.

I still think you should do alot better this cycle. Hang around the board bro and meet the right people and you will be steered the right way.


GL