need imput on deca, sust, and d-bol cycle

**mori1541** · 02-12-2006, 03:46 AM

i'm new to this forum, but have been around a few others. let me start by saying that i'm 6'1 ,30 years old, around 195-200 lbs and i have done 2 other cycles before. a Test only in highschool. a Tren and Deca about 2 years ago. (no sides except for the attitude sometimes..man does that Tren give you a boost...lol

) well back to the issue at hand. this is a rough draft of the cycle ....

Sustanon , D-Bol, Deca
1 250 ....20mg ....200
2 250 ....30mg....200
3 500 ....30mg ....400
4 500 ....20mg ....600
5 500 ....20mg ....600
6 500 ................400
7 250 ................400
8 250 ................200

i'll have nolva or clomid on hand. with all the research i've done, it seems everyone has a different opinion on when to start them. any info? the other question i have is about front loading. how would i front load the sust and deca. will it be worth it since i'll have the d-bol to jump off the cycle until the sust and deca can take full effect? thanks in advance.

**stocky121** · 02-12-2006, 03:50 AM

Originally Posted by mori1541

i'm new to this forum, but have been around a few others. let me start by saying that i'm 6'1 ,30 years old, around 195-200 lbs and i have done 2 other cycles before. a Test only in highschool. a Tren and Deca about 2 years ago. (no sides except for the attitude sometimes..man does that Tren give you a boost...lol

) well back to the issue at hand. this is a rough draft of the cycle ....

Sustanon , D-Bol, Deca
1 250 ....20mg ....200
2 250 ....30mg....200
3 500 ....30mg ....400
4 500 ....20mg ....600
5 500 ....20mg ....600
6 500 ................400
7 250 ................400
8 250 ................200

i'll have nolva or clomid on hand. with all the research i've done, it seems everyone has a different opinion on when to start them. any info? the other question i have is about front loading. how would i front load the sust and deca. will it be worth it since i'll have the d-bol to jump off the cycle until the sust and deca can take full effect? thanks in advance.

first off dont tapper dosage keep it level

run it like this

week 1-12 sust 500mg ew
week 1-12 deca 400mg ew
week 1-4 d-bol 30mg ed

i wouldent bother with front loading

**FLBMWMech** · 02-12-2006, 03:51 AM

I like low dose cycles because I feel they can give your fitness plan a nice boost.. but if you're looking for something more effective-- try

500 mg sustanon x 12(or Ultratest prop/enanth/cyp.)
400 mg deca x 12
Nolva 20mg ED
Ldex if you hold alot of water

btw-- I havent used orals either way-- because Im concerned about excess liver toxicity.

Im adding weight so fast that Im already drawing comments from friends and family.. Im eating so much that its painfull, and my abs are coming back with a vengeance. love it-- and I have a really great sense of well being
IMO Sust & Deca stack together very very well

**mori1541** · 02-12-2006, 03:56 AM

any ideas on the nolva or clomid situation?

**stocky121** · 02-12-2006, 03:58 AM

Originally Posted by mori1541

any ideas on the nolva or clomid situation?

keep nolva on hand incase gyno set's in you will need both clomid and nolva for pct

**Auto54** · 02-12-2006, 04:00 AM

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**mori1541** · 02-12-2006, 04:02 AM

thanks stocky, i know this is heard alot but what would thee average gain off this cycle be

**stocky121** · 02-12-2006, 04:09 AM

Originally Posted by mori1541

thanks stocky, i know this is heard alot but what would thee average gain off this cycle be

no one can tell you it go's on training diet rest and genetics everyones diffrent mate

**Booz** · 02-12-2006, 04:14 AM

like my man stock has stated dont pyramid the doses that is old school,keep the gear at a constant level otherwise your blood levels will be all over the place,more chances of sides,you need to keep em at a constant level!
as for frontloading never tried it so i cannot comment!
run the sust for 12 weeks and stop the deca at week 11,start your nolva 20mg ed day after the last shot of sust,start clomid 18-21 days after the last sust shot(did you like that stock )
clomid therapy
day1-300mg
day2-10 100mg
day11-30 50mg.
as for hcg i would run it eow mond wedn frid at 500iu because you are usin deca and that will suoress your natty test more than others imo!
soon as you finish the last sust shot run 500iu hcg for 10 days straight,this is how i use hcg when using tren or deca!

**stocky121** · 02-12-2006, 04:32 AM

Originally Posted by booz

like my man stock has stated dont pyramid the doses that is old school,keep the gear at a constant level otherwise your blood levels will be all over the place,more chances of sides,you need to keep em at a constant level!
as for frontloading never tried it so i cannot comment!
run the sust for 12 weeks and stop the deca at week 11,start your nolva 20mg ed day after the last shot of sust,start clomid 18-21 days after the last sust shot(did you like that stock )
clomid therapy
day1-300mg
day2-10 100mg
day11-30 50mg.
as for hcg i would run it eow mond wedn frid at 500iu because you are usin deca and that will suoress your natty test more than others imo!
soon as you finish the last sust shot run 500iu hcg for 10 days straight,this is how i use hcg when using tren or deca!

18-21 is fine by me big guy