what would you end your cycle with

**briansauras** · 02-12-2006, 09:15 PM

what would you use for the last month of a test e/deca cycle before pct??

prop or waterbased winny

i dont know what are some other good choices?

**nvr2bigsnd** · 02-12-2006, 09:18 PM

i would do the test prop

***G-1000*** · 02-12-2006, 09:18 PM

prop

**briansauras** · 02-12-2006, 09:22 PM

what dose?

**Smoothb001** · 02-12-2006, 09:45 PM

400 mg/wk Prop

Originally Posted by briansauras

what dose?

***SPIKE*** · 02-12-2006, 09:45 PM

I'd also prefer Prop. 50-100mgs ED depending on your Test E dose.........

**briansauras** · 02-12-2006, 11:17 PM

how about 150EOD? Im using 750 test e EW

**fitguy** · 02-13-2006, 12:48 AM

will using prop at the end of the cycle solidfy the gains ?

**QuieTSToRM33** · 02-13-2006, 12:50 AM

Originally Posted by briansauras

how about 150EOD? Im using 750 test e EW

y not 75mg ED ???

***SPIKE*** · 02-13-2006, 12:05 PM

Originally Posted by fitguy

will using prop at the end of the cycle solidfy the gains ?

Proper PCT is the best for solidifying gains. Prop is just a nice way to come down off the longer estered Enanthate .

Originally Posted by briansauras

how about 150EOD? Im using 750 test e EW

I see nothing wrong with 150mgs EOD.

**Swifto** · 02-13-2006, 12:15 PM

Many compounds can be used to really push for more gains, ending a cycle or too harden any gains made on other AS. Winny 50mg/ED for the final 4-6 weeks could be used effectively. Var can be run the same at 70mg/ED. Prop at 50-100mg/ED, for the same duration. Tbol could also be used at 50mg/ED. All these AS can be used with the correct diet. Without the correct diet, they wont be as effective.

**briansauras** · 02-13-2006, 10:59 PM

Originally Posted by Swifto

Many compounds can be used to really push for more gains, ending a cycle or too harden any gains made on other AS. Winny 50mg/ED for the final 4-6 weeks could be used effectively. Var can be run the same at 70mg/ED. Prop at 50-100mg/ED, for the same duration. Tbol could also be used at 50mg/ED. All these AS can be used with the correct diet. Without the correct diet, they wont be as effective.

what would be the difference between using waterbased winny vs prop from wk 14-pct

**scotttiger54** · 02-13-2006, 11:20 PM

Originally Posted by briansauras

what would be the difference between using waterbased winny vs prop from wk 14-pct

winny and prop are 2 different compunds so imo yielding different results. i personally don't really gain on winny, just harden and lean out a bit if the diets right. but with the prop you can get another little "jump" right before you close the deal, and lets not forget that if your diet and cardio is in check it may help harden you up a bit as well. i love running prop at the end to help close the 2-3 wk gap

**briansauras** · 02-16-2006, 06:51 PM

should i use prop for the last month of last 2wks?

**briansauras** · 02-18-2006, 12:17 AM

bump

**Bizz** · 02-18-2006, 12:56 AM

i will do masteron in my last 4-5 week at 300-400mg/ew

Bizz

**Son Of Khadafi** · 02-18-2006, 02:08 AM

Winny or Masteron are your best options IMO, b/c they lower your SHBG, which will have risen after weeks of cycling. Doing this will free up some of the deactivated test in your system.

Proviron is a good addition to either of these compounds.

**Son Of Khadafi** · 02-18-2006, 02:09 AM

Winny at 75mg ED or Masteron at 300-400/wk....400 is better IMO

**usamm** · 02-18-2006, 06:28 AM

Winny FTW

**marcus300** · 02-18-2006, 08:20 AM

both used together are good

**briansauras** · 02-18-2006, 11:41 AM

I was thinking winny to. would it matter if its oral or inj?

If I did prop for the last month @ 100ED then I would be doing well over 1g of test a wk since im already doing test e @ 750. I mean isnt that kind of a lot of test or is it diff since they are different esters?

**Son Of Khadafi** · 02-18-2006, 03:31 PM

Originally Posted by briansauras

I was thinking winny to. would it matter if its oral or inj?

If I did prop for the last month @ 100ED then I would be doing well over 1g of test a wk since im already doing test e @ 750. I mean isnt that kind of a lot of test or is it diff since they are different esters?

Prop holds 84mgs of free test per 100mgs, Enanthate only holds 72mg/100mgs after your body cleaves the ester off. Take a look

"The following is the amount (in grams) of testosterone per 100mg of finished compound.
Testosterone Cypionate : 70mg
Testosterone Decanoate: 65mg
Testosterone Enantate: 72mg
Testosterone Isocaproate: 75mg
Testosterone Phenylpropionate: 69mg
Testosterone Propionate : 84mg
Testosterone Suspension : 100mg
Testosterone Undecanoate: 63mg "

**Son Of Khadafi** · 02-18-2006, 03:37 PM

So thats a small jump actually, essentially .72(750)=540/wk, with the prop .84(700)=602/wk

With the winny it's a preference thing. The Injections have a better absorbtion rate than taking it orally...but the studies that have shown winny lowers the SHBG were done with oral administration at .2mg/kg of body weight per day....which is a small dose compared to what most ppl take when they cycle it. The study did not mention how well injected winny lowers SHBG at the same doses.