Facts - Starting Regardless - Cyle to cut fat and bulk

**cforn** · 02-15-2006, 05:09 PM

Pics attached.

29 yrs old
6'0
190lbs

My goal is to cut fat and gain lean muscle.

I have my pct in order plus nolva.

I'm starting a 12 wk cycle of Test E at 200 mgs twice a week.

Should I expect an increase in fat or a reduction.
I've been lifting for 6 months now and I feel its time for a boost. I work out 5 days a week but just started to incorp cardio.

I'm starting regardless so i'm looking for suggestions on the best way to approach. Again i'm starting regarldess.

Thanks

**cb25** · 02-15-2006, 05:15 PM

Nice attitude about it..."i don't care what you say, i'm doing it anyways" kind of a childish attitude to have. JMHO.

anyways, in regards to your question of increase vs decrease in body fat -- it will largely depend on your diet. you can do what you want with it...whether you eat to bulk, eat a very clean bulk, or if you were to use a cutting diet.

**Dave321** · 02-15-2006, 05:20 PM

Originally Posted by cforn

Pics attached.

29 yrs old
6'0
190lbs

My goal is to cut fat and gain lean muscle.

I have my pct in order plus nolva.

I'm starting a 12 wk cycle of Test E at 200 mgs twice a week.

Should I expect an increase in fat or a reduction.
I've been lifting for 6 months now and I feel its time for a boost. I work out 5 days a week but just started to incorp cardio.

I'm starting regardless so i'm looking for suggestions on the best way to approach. Again i'm starting regarldess.

Thanks

you'll soon find out, your quick AAS fix will diminish faster than it comes. Learn to eat and train first. You don't have the physique to start using muscle enhancers, and in my opinion, you lack serious dedication. Best of luck. Remember, Vit E will help diminish the stretch marks.

**cforn** · 02-15-2006, 05:21 PM

cb25, I appreicate the response.

The only reason I phrased my question like that is because I know that the advise given will be not to start.

I didnt know that you can run a cutting diet while on Test E. Can you explain that?

**PLAYA4LIFE** · 02-15-2006, 05:22 PM

your out of shape to be taking steroids ; and it sounds like you think they are some kind of miracle drug. Take them regardless of what we say but when you start getting tons of problems and side effects don't come back here asking for help!

**PLAYA4LIFE** · 02-15-2006, 05:26 PM

I'm tired of newbies and people who have no business messing with steroids starting these threads and saying I'm going to start regardless.

**cforn** · 02-15-2006, 05:28 PM

If your tired, get some rest. Take a nap, kid. If you cant add on, move on.

**New Juice** · 02-15-2006, 05:30 PM

if your dead set at least do it right...500mg/week of test

**cforn** · 02-15-2006, 05:33 PM

So 250 every 3.5 days.

**cb25** · 02-15-2006, 05:34 PM

Originally Posted by cforn

cb25, I appreicate the response.

The only reason I phrased my question like that is because I know that the advise given will be not to start.

I didnt know that you can run a cutting diet while on Test E. Can you explain that?

If you know that the smart advice is not to start, why start? Why not learn from the mistakes of those who've gone before you?

And everything that you do is diet dependent -- remember that. You can do anything you want with your diet. If you're in a calorie deficient state, you'll lose weight. It's as simple as that.

I know you don't want to hear it, but I think you'd get better and longer lasting results from really nailing down your diet and training, getting into this lifestyle for a longer period of time before using anabolics. This is really the best way to keep any gains you'll get though.

**cb25** · 02-15-2006, 05:35 PM

Originally Posted by New Juice

if your dead set at least do it right...500mg/week of test

he's already doing 400mg/week...that's fine as it is IMO, especially for someone just starting out.

**orosco** · 02-15-2006, 05:37 PM

It looks like you never juiced before..I always think a simple deca /test cycle is good for a newbie....Very mild on the body and great results can be achieved...

400mg deca/ 500mg test a week...Actually every 5 days would be better...Add some clen with that too.

**PLAYA4LIFE** · 02-15-2006, 05:38 PM

you need to get your diet down #1 most important thing and maybe a year or two down the road of consistent training maybe you will be ready. you don't jump into steroids .

**PLAYA4LIFE** · 02-15-2006, 05:39 PM

i don't get why you guys help and encourage this guy when you know he shouldn't be using gear; you guys should be saying stay away and not supporting him just because he says he is going to take regardless.

**Hellmaskbanned** · 02-15-2006, 05:42 PM

If I were you I would try to lose some BF before starting the cycle, build up a better base by adding some muscle too.
400mgs is more than enough for your first run.

**Hellmaskbanned** · 02-15-2006, 05:44 PM

Originally Posted by PLAYA4LIFE

i don't get why you guys help and encourage this guy when you know he shouldn't be using gear; you guys should be saying stay away and not supporting him just because he says he is going to take regardless.

How are you different from him?
He's trying to improve his look, is that what you are doing? or are you a athlete/bber were it actually is needed to be competitive , not just to look good at the club.

**PLAYA4LIFE** · 02-15-2006, 05:48 PM

I compete. And am getting ready for the usa nationals this summer.

**PLAYA4LIFE** · 02-15-2006, 05:48 PM

I personally think nobody should be using steroids for just cosmetics or looks, only athletes and bodybuilders and people who need it for health reasons

**Tren Bull** · 02-15-2006, 05:50 PM

Originally Posted by cforn

Pics attached.

29 yrs old
6'0
190lbs

My goal is to cut fat and gain lean muscle.

I have my pct in order plus nolva.

I'm starting a 12 wk cycle of Test E at 200 mgs twice a week.

Should I expect an increase in fat or a reduction.
I've been lifting for 6 months now and I feel its time for a boost. I work out 5 days a week but just started to incorp cardio.

I'm starting regardless so i'm looking for suggestions on the best way to approach. Again i'm starting regarldess.

Thanks

imo, its best to eat a bulk diet and gain as much as you possibly can while on cycle, then cut once you finish. what else are you running, as in anti es, and pct?

**Hellmaskbanned** · 02-15-2006, 05:53 PM

Originally Posted by PLAYA4LIFE

I personally think nobody should be using steroids for just cosmetics or looks, only athletes and bodybuilders and people who need it for health reasons

Me too, but I could care less if others use or not.

**testosterona** · 02-15-2006, 05:54 PM

Originally Posted by PLAYA4LIFE

I personally think nobody should be using steroids for just cosmetics or looks, only athletes and bodybuilders and people who need it for health reasons

lol, i guess you speak to 80-90% of the board than my friend. id really like to see some pics of yourself, you seem to talk highly of yourself

**testosterona** · 02-15-2006, 05:57 PM

oh, and as for the guy posting. you know its not the best decision to start, but if you are doing it regardless, do it right. 400mgs wk for 10-12wks and proper pCT>

**sp9** · 02-15-2006, 06:01 PM

If you are just starting cardio, give the cardio 60 days. You could reach half your goal without the drugs. Then re-evaluate your goals at that time. Running changes your body fast, add in some minor diet changes and you will be very happy with the results.