Short heavy cyles explained- PB theory

[vitor]

Ive yust finnished my first short cycle(30 days). The priming I did before starting wasnt ideal, since it was only 2-weeks. And the dosages I was using wasnt to high.(Defently higher than Ive done before, though.)

Still, I gained 6 ibs of muscle on it, which I was very pleased with. Its going to be intresting to see how fast my natty test gets back to normal, or even above normal, in the next few weeks. (I think the main benefit of short cycling will be rapid recovery).

The short-cycle theory defently works. I wonder what the gains would have been like, had I primed longer, and used stronger dosages...

[stupidhippo]

i think its pretty well established that they work (at least somewhat, eventhough I suspect them to be VERY effective).. to me the question is long term safety.. that Im not convinced yet...

[marcus300]

Ive yust finnished my first short cycle(30 days). The priming I did before starting wasnt ideal, since it was only 2-weeks. And the dosages I was using wasnt to high.(Defently higher than Ive done before, though.)

Still, I gained 6 ibs of muscle on it, which I was very pleased with. Its going to be intresting to see how fast my natty test gets back to normal, or even above normal, in the next few weeks. (I think the main benefit of short cycling will be rapid recovery).

The short-cycle theory defently works. I wonder what the gains would have been like, had I primed longer, and used stronger dosages...

Vitor, please keep me inform how well you recover from your cycle.

[stupidhippo]

yeah everyone who tries this method pls chyme in.. especially if u get ur BW done regularily..

[marcus300]

i think its pretty well established that they work (at least somewhat, eventhough I suspect them to be VERY effective).. to me the question is long term safety.. that Im not convinced yet...

Best thing would be to try one and see what happens, but make sure you prime correctly before the cycle its a must for rapid muscle tissue gains, they do work without doubt but everybody is different try one and see for yourself, but i wouldnt recommend a heavy short cycle unless your at an advance level

[stupidhippo]

im pretty novice when it comes to cycling... but I seem to need pretty high doses to respond (or maybe its the quality of the gear , the biggest UGL hasnt pleased me at all)... I am 270 lbs though (if that has any effect).. Im planning on trying one when I have enough money to buy all what I need for it (including BW's etc and pharmaceutical grade gear).. probably gonna still do one test + tren (or deca ) cycle in between with 1,5 G's to 2 g's of AAS a week .. this time with pharmaceutical grade.. I dont know.. how advanced do u have to be to do this?

[don anabolico]

all i can say is SKREW these short cycles and all the theories that go with it.
i did 3 of them... the last one i did i lost EVERYTHING and MORE, cause i was so supressed already. 1 week after being off i was at 106ng!!!! liver was elavated...... just started my 9 weeker today, try and get back what all i lost due to this junk.

[dragon69]

interesting ideas here. Like it so far.

[marcus300]

all i can say is SKREW these short cycles and all the theories that go with it.
i did 3 of them... the last one i did i lost EVERYTHING and MORE, cause i was so supressed already. 1 week after being off i was at 106ng!!!! liver was elavated...... just started my 9 weeker today, try and get back what all i lost due to this junk.

Don anabolico,
Ive found your comments very interesting and cant really believe the reported results from you short cycle, i can understand pinn's high BW because of huge amounts pinn took (never does anything half hearted tho) but pinn did make some gains of 5lb which is alot to man like pinn at his stage, his complaint was BW which am sure is due to the huge amount he took of very harsh compounds.

Back to your short cycles, i cant really comment on yours because i know nothing about them, so i did a search on some of your threads, to be totally honest with you, your short cycles are rubbish you have no idea at all what you are doing i would of done some research on the subject first before contemplating any kind of short cycle weather it is heavy/light or standard dosages.

Here is a quote from one of your threads "i have been doing these 2.5 week short cycles of tren and var, and my recent 2 i have lost everything! My off time is 4 weeks between". 2.5 weeks of tren and var??? are you for real? then 4 weeks off? you have done 2 of these cycles? do you like punishing yourself? i am lost for words but your quote says it all.

Here is another link to one of your other threads for a future cycle your 9 weeker? New devised cycle!

Did you have good time off before you started a short cycle?

Did you prime the body before starting the cycle?

Who advised you on using var and tren for 2.5 weeks?

Why only 4 weeks offs in between?

I agree totally with you that your type of short cycling is rubbish and i wouldn't advice anyone doing anything like what you did, short cycles do work maybe not for everybody but they do work great if the correct procedures are done before and the correct compounds are planned in the cycle.

There are many ways of short cycling, this thread was about a certain way which is used by top level pros but the whole idea can be implemented at any stage so long as its designed and planned correctly.

Its all about research and experience to get knowledge in the field you are trying to conquer, my advice to you is stick with standard type of cycling, all the best for your future cycles

[vitor]

Don anabolico,
Ive found your comments very interesting and cant really believe the reported results from you short cycle, i can understand pinn's high BW because of huge amounts pinn took (never does anything half hearted tho) but pinn did make some gains of 5lb which is alot to man like pinn at his stage, his complaint was BW which am sure is due to the huge amount he took of very harsh compounds.

Back to your short cycles, i cant really comment on yours because i know nothing about them, so i did a search on some of your threads, to be totally honest with you, your short cycles are rubbish you have no idea at all what you are doing i would of done some research on the subject first before contemplating any kind of short cycle weather it is heavy/light or standard dosages.

Here is a quote from one of your threads "i have been doing these 2.5 week short cycles of tren and var, and my recent 2 i have lost everything! My off time is 4 weeks between". 2.5 weeks of tren and var??? are you for real? then 4 weeks off? you have done 2 of these cycles? do you like punishing yourself? i am lost for words but your quote says it all.

Here is another link to one of your other threads for a future cycle your 9 weeker? New devised cycle!

Did you have good time off before you started a short cycle?

Did you prime the body before starting the cycle?

Who advised you on using var and tren for 2.5 weeks?

Why only 4 weeks offs in between?

I agree totally with you that your type of short cycling is rubbish and i wouldn't advice anyone doing anything like what you did, short cycles do work maybe not for everybody but they do work great if the correct procedures are done before and the correct compounds are planned in the cycle.

There are many ways of short cycling, this thread was about a certain way which is used by top level pros but the whole idea can be implemented at any stage so long as its designed and planned correctly.

Its all about research and experience to get knowledge in the field you are trying to conquer, my advice to you is stick with standard type of cycling, all the best for your future cycles

I agree that 2.5 weeks on/4off, is a bad idea. I think people should stick with the theorys that has proven to work, which is 2 weeks on/4off or 30 days on.

the diffrence between "Recovery" from 2weeks on to 2.5 weeks on is dramatic actually.

From what I have read and understand; when you have been on for only 2-weeks, only the hypotalamus is inhibited, and it produces much less LHRH as a result of the high levels of sex-hormones it senses.
But the "Pituitary is not inhibited after 14 days(its actually sensitized, and will respond to LHRH, even moreso than usal.) Recovery will therefor be rapid after only 14 days on.
However, if one goes 1-2 days past 14 days, the Pituitary becomes inhibited as well(this is a deeper supression).
Recovery will be no better after 2.5 weeks on, than 4 weeks on. So the whole benefit wilth the 2on/4off will be lost.

No wonder Don anabolica got poor results. Since he was killing hes own Test-production(with 2.5 weeks on, which is a short time to make decent gains)and at the same time, having the same recovery as someone would on a 30days cycle. It makes no sense to cycle like that!!

[AleX-69]

the diffrence between "Recovery" from 2weeks on to 2.5 weeks on is dramatic actually.

From what I have read and understand; when you have been on for only 2-weeks, only the hypotalamus is inhibited, and it produces much less LHRH as a result of the high levels of sex-hormones it senses. But the "Pituitary is not inhibited after 14 days(its actually sensitized, and will respond to LHRH, even moreso than usal.) Recovery will therefor be rapid after only 14 days on.
However, if one goes 1-2 days past 14 days, the Pituitary becomes inhibited as well(this is a deeper supression). Recovery will be no better after 2.5 weeks on, than 4 weeks on. So the whole benefit wilth the 2on/4off will be lost.

you pretty much nailed it there i think. I may add that after 4 weeks testicular shrinkage starts [as a guideline] and therefore recovery will be even worse.. So if you are running a cycle longer than 4 weeks you may aswell do a more traditional cycle concerning your bodys own test production ..

Here is a quote from one of your threads "i have been doing these 2.5 week short cycles of tren and var, and my recent 2 i have lost everything! My off time is 4 weeks between". 2.5 weeks of tren and var??? are you for real? then 4 weeks off? you have done 2 of these cycles? do you like punishing yourself? i am lost for words but your quote says it all.

/signed

[guest589745]

Bump , here it is.

[std4]

If one is off gear and has dropped to ones natural max then a short cycle can add up to 10 pounds. If you take no more than 6 weeks off after each four weeker you will not loose much...then in each successive cycle you can still gain but the gains will be smaller the further you get from your natural max.

can someone elaborate on this pls. I think it is the other way round. The more you have trained naturally, the more is your body used to training, the muscle will be able to "absorb" better the aas, and thus you will gain a lot when you begin to juice.

[stupidhippo]

i disagree with u completely std4! My support for that is just a pretty small group of ppl (about 20) with dofferent training background.. We all started to use AAS roughly the same time.. Im very aware of their diet and training routine.. and a fact that I have made is that ppl who are at pretty beginner stage manage to keep their gains alot more than we who waited for until we reached our "natural max" (if there is such a thing). Also only the beginners have made like 70 lbs increases in their bench in one cycle etc... Weight gain the difference aint there anymore.. But the most obvious observation for me is the keeping of gains.. ppl who arent that advanced can manage to keep more of their gains with poor PCT, not good diet, and a pretty terrible training routine when compared to someone who does everything right but has pretty muc reached his natural top...

[Random]

I COMPLETELY disagree with std4 also. I pushed the envelope so far naturally that when i first used AAS, 7 years after i begain training, it helped but it wasnt magic at all in anyway, in fact this may sound bad but many of my best lifts still stand untouchable for me even with using AAS now....along with that i think i rivaled my latest contest condition naturally....

[stupidhippo]

I COMPLETELY disagree with std4 also. I pushed the envelope so far naturally that when i first used AAS, 7 years after i begain training, it helped but it wasnt magic at all in anyway, in fact this may sound bad but many of my best lifts still stand untouchable for me even with using AAS now....along with that i think i rivaled my latest contest condition naturally....

yeah, it kinda sux cause I thought that a little like std4 before I started juicing.. but I also knew it was a possibility that it would go like this.. I made a decision that after 6 months has passed from this cycle if my lifts drop to where I was natty im not gonna juice no more.. no point, unless I will plan to juice for a long time..

[Random]

Yea i think for me AAS has helped make dieting and competing more effective whereas i can still gain plenty of mass offseason because my diet is so planned out that i never miss meals or sleep etc...

[std4]

i have a friend with 19' natural guns. So you say he won't have much more potential even if he begins to juice?

[briansauras]

i have a friend with 19' natural guns. So you say he won't have much more potential even if he begins to juice?

19's are pretty big. I highly doubt that cycles will push him much over 20. I mean come on now, you body can only get so big.

Also he prolly has 19' arms and a 48' waist...lol

[std4]

19's are pretty big. I highly doubt that cycles will push him much over 20. I mean come on now, you body can only get so big.

Also he prolly has 19' arms and a 48' waist...lol

he is not lean but for natty his size i would say his bf is really good(i would estimate it about 15%).


i am thinking about this issue over and over again i am really confused. it this is the way it goes it is very unfair for guys like the one i mentioned.

so how does the pros get that big? they had 21' natural arms or...?

[marcus300]

he is not lean but for natty his size i would say his bf is really good(i would estimate it about 15%).


i am thinking about this issue over and over again i am really confused. it this is the way it goes it is very unfair for guys like the one i mentioned.

so how does the pros get that big? they had 21' natural arms or...?

Everybody is different to what size they can grow to, genetics play a huge part in this role more than AAS.
Eat ,train hard and find the right stacks/cycles to suit your body and be the best you can with what you have, training natural for some years before using AAS is a must to solid keepable gains in muscle tissue

[Xtralarg]

Everybody is different to what size they can grow to, genetics play a huge part in this role more than AAS.
Eat ,train hard and find the right stacks/cycles to suit your body and be the best you can with what you have, training natural for some years before using AAS is a must to solid keepable gains in muscle tissue

Amen

[stupidhippo]

he is not lean but for natty his size i would say his bf is really good(i would estimate it about 15%).


i am thinking about this issue over and over again i am really confused. it this is the way it goes it is very unfair for guys like the one i mentioned.

so how does the pros get that big? they had 21' natural arms or...?

u can get big yeah by AAS... the gains wont be as rapid as with mroe beginners. but if u cycle continously u can get bigger.. pros stay on some dose all the time.. its a whole new ball game if u plan on becoming pro... other ppl know more about that..

[Maldorf]

I am almost 3 weeks into my first short heavy cycle, going to run it 2 more weeks. Before this I was cutting bodyfat and had been for many months. I was down to about 7% bodyfat and primed well on a low carb diet. In the first 2 weeks I put on 16 pounds and strength is climbing. Went from 228 pounds up to 244 pounds. So far so good. It is almost like I have the gains now that would have taken me a month or more to make on the longer cycles I used to run. I am no novice either, been lifting seriously for over 20 years and cycling AAS for about 8 or 9 years. I am really looking forward to the gains I will make in the next 2 weeks, hopefully it will take me to a level I havent been yet. So far this method looks sound, and produces results. Have to see how I do in pct, and hope I dont lose too much going into my next cycle.

[marcus300]

I am almost 3 weeks into my first short heavy cycle, going to run it 2 more weeks. Before this I was cutting bodyfat and had been for many months. I was down to about 7% bodyfat and primed well on a low carb diet. In the first 2 weeks I put on 16 pounds and strength is climbing. Went from 228 pounds up to 244 pounds. So far so good. It is almost like I have the gains now that would have taken me a month or more to make on the longer cycles I used to run. I am no novice either, been lifting seriously for over 20 years and cycling AAS for about 8 or 9 years. I am really looking forward to the gains I will make in the next 2 weeks, hopefully it will take me to a level I havent been yet. So far this method looks sound, and produces results. Have to see how I do in pct, and hope I dont lose too much going into my next cycle.

Excellent news well done on your progress, for the next 2 weeks of your cycle you will need to increase clean calories even more and do some shock training, you have opened a growth window so use it and force new muscle tissue,
pls keep me inform

[Maldorf]

Excellent news well done on your progress, for the next 2 weeks of your cycle you will need to increase clean calories even more and do some shock training, you have opened a growth window so use it and force new muscle tissue,
pls keep me inform

Yes, I am working hard on stuffing my face with more high quality foods. It is really hard getting all of that down, sometimes feels like I am a turkey stuffed for Thanksgiving. Much of the day my belly feels all bloated with all of that food, eating every 2 hours or so. As far as training, Im using drop sets and some rest pause training. I am also doing some "feeder sets" for lagging bodyparts -biceps and quads. Doing 3 of these feeder sets the day after training that bodypart, reps of 16-20. I have picked up over 1/2 an inch on my arms.
Ive been using dbol as an oral and going to switch over to halo for the last 2 weeks. Will be my first time using Halo, hoping for some good strength gains.

[marcus300]

Yes, I am working hard on stuffing my face with more high quality foods. It is really hard getting all of that down, sometimes feels like I am a turkey stuffed for Thanksgiving. Much of the day my belly feels all bloated with all of that food, eating every 2 hours or so. As far as training, Im using drop sets and some rest pause training. I am also doing some "feeder sets" for lagging bodyparts -biceps and quads. Doing 3 of these feeder sets the day after training that bodypart, reps of 16-20. I have picked up over 1/2 an inch on my arms.
Ive been using dbol as an oral and going to switch over to halo for the last 2 weeks. Will be my first time using Halo, hoping for some good strength gains.

sounds like you did some research before starting well done, i love the dropsets to failure now we talking,
keep eating and keep me inform of results pls

[evil pepsi]

i have several cycles under my belt, all of which have been no less than 8 weeks in duration. i recently stumbled upon a short cycle by accident, and im really going to dig further into this.
i started a basic cycle of the following:
week 1-4 50mg dbol ed
week 1-10 250mg test e twice a week

as i was starting the third week of test, i developed cellulitis in my shoulder. this started on a sunday. by thursday, i was in the doctors office facing possible surgery if no improvement showed within 48 hours. i was put on massive doses of bactrim and prednisone.
i left the doc, and went straight to the gym. nothing was going to break me. will is that if im on my feet, i can train. get big or die trying.
everyone that saw my arm said one of two things-either im crazy, or too damn dedicated, hehe.
i took saturday and sunday off to allow my body to repair the damage, and to also keep pressure off my arm. the increased blood in the area made my skin feel as if it was splitting.
as a result of the meds, i stopped the dbol, and quit the shots. as i said before, this amounted to roughly a three week cycle. at this time, i had gained 11lbs. granted, this was weight i had previously gained before, and thanks to the magic of muscle memory, it was coming back fast.
my strength was exploding before all this.
i quit cold, with no pct, as i had planned to just go right back on as soon as the meds were done. after 10 days off, im still holding on to 7.5 of those pounds, and im still gaining strength. my sex drive is just as out of control as it was before, and im not feeling any sides.
i had read some about short cycles, and as a result of my experience, im curious as to whether this is the norm. im planning one more 3-4 week cycle of test and dbol soon, as this is all that i have at this time, and the cycle after that will be with different gear. i want to see if this is just a fluke event before i change it up. hell, if it works even half as well as before, i may just stick with short cycles from here on out.
just out of curiosity, to optimize this, should i follow the pattern of ramping up three days prior to day zero?
im looking for ideas to experiment around with. could i load up with test at beginning, and bring dbol in halfway through? due to the hepatoxicity of the meds, mixed with my dbol usage, this next cycle will only be dbol for a maximum of two weeks, and i plan on giving my liver at least six months before i use anything stronger than anavar , if i even incorporate an oral in my next cycle(s).
i plan on running pct for no less than 4 weeks in between cycles, and also plan on documenting every change in my body, both good and bad. i may post my results on here for all to see just to either shoot holes in all this, or to support the concept.
my diet is very sound, as i dont eat junk food. i build it around the basics-milk and meat. im blessed with being hyper, which means my metabolism is very fast, so fat is not an issue.
my training is very intense. here is a sample of the way i train chest (pecs respond the best for me, so this routine is not as intense as other bodyparts):
-3 light sets of cable crossovers to pre-exhaust pecs. squeeze pecs (peak contraction) at full contraction for no less than three seconds. continue until failure.
-3 sets of bench. hit failure (300x10), do a few forced, drop weight(225), do forced negatives until complete failure, drop weight (135, which now feels like 300lbs) and try to do a few static reps as my partner presses down. i hold it until my arms shake. i then try to squeeze out as many partial reps as possible, until i cant move the bar off my chest.
-2 sets of incline presses 250 to failure, again using forced reps.
in between sets, im squeezing and contracting my pecs, as well as stretching them. this is a short, brutal, and intense routine, at least for me. the weights might seem low for some, but thanks to the pre-exhausting effect of the crossovers, i dont have to push a lot of weight.
my foundation is solid, so im interested in trying this quick cycle with what i have, and then following the guidelines marcus has set up as far as priming.
the way i see it is i really have nothing to lose in this, so why not test it out for myself. as i said in another thread, i may post my progress as i go, just so everyone can draw a conclusion for themselves...

[G-Force]

Yes, I am working hard on stuffing my face with more high quality foods. It is really hard getting all of that down, sometimes feels like I am a turkey stuffed for Thanksgiving. Much of the day my belly feels all bloated with all of that food, eating every 2 hours or so. As far as training, Im using drop sets and some rest pause training. I am also doing some "feeder sets" for lagging bodyparts -biceps and quads. Doing 3 of these feeder sets the day after training that bodypart, reps of 16-20. I have picked up over 1/2 an inch on my arms.
Ive been using dbol as an oral and going to switch over to halo for the last 2 weeks. Will be my first time using Halo, hoping for some good strength gains.

what are the benefits of these feeder sets?

its the first i have heard of them

surel if you have trained intensely enough the day before - there is no need for these feeder sets ?

[marcus300]

what are the benefits of these feeder sets?

its the first i have heard of them

surel if you have trained intensely enough the day before - there is no need for these feeder sets ?

yes am thinking the same way.

[marcus300]

For all who are intrested i will be posting a full detailed log and results form a prime and short heavy cycle from a well trusted ex memeber (warrior)from this site in the next 2 days, its well worth a read and will shock some bb's,

[Maldorf]

what are the benefits of these feeder sets?

its the first i have heard of them

surel if you have trained intensely enough the day before - there is no need for these feeder sets ?

Something I stumbled on doing some research online. I had actually tried something similar in the past, but just did it haphazardly. The idea is to use high reps to increase blood flow to the muscle which will help recovery by getting rid of toxins and bringing in nutrients. After trying this on my biceps for several months in the past, I could actually see a visible difference in the size and quality of the muscle. I also felt like strength picked up a bit. It does nothing to further fatigue the muscle, so it cant hurt. I gave it a try and it seems to work for me. I usually just toss the sets in inbetween what I am training that day. I stay in the range on 18-20 reps on these 3 sets. ALways do an isolation exercise too, not a compound movement. Right now I am doing cable cross over bicep curls and leg extensions. Oh, I would like to add that after doing the "feeder sets" that muscle feels much less stiff and gets an incredible pump. I feel that it aids in the recovery.

[G-Force]

Something I stumbled on doing some research online. I had actually tried something similar in the past, but just did it haphazardly. The idea is to use high reps to increase blood flow to the muscle which will help recovery by getting rid of toxins and bringing in nutrients. After trying this on my biceps for several months in the past, I could actually see a visible difference in the size and quality of the muscle. I also felt like strength picked up a bit. It does nothing to further fatigue the muscle, so it cant hurt. I gave it a try and it seems to work for me. I usually just toss the sets in inbetween what I am training that day. I stay in the range on 18-20 reps on these 3 sets. ALways do an isolation exercise too, not a compound movement. Right now I am doing cable cross over bicep curls and leg extensions. Oh, I would like to add that after doing the "feeder sets" that muscle feels much less stiff and gets an incredible pump. I feel that it aids in the recovery.

makes sense i suppose
worth thinking about

[armbar83]

this whole thread has been really informative. i was wondering if someone could direct me towards or add some more information (most recommended stacks/general percentage increases/pct) concerning short cycles for novice/intermediate folks (or if they should even be considered). also looking foward to that log and wondering if it was posted elsewhere...thanks

[AleX-69]

this whole thread has been really informative. i was wondering if someone could direct me towards or add some more information (most recommended stacks/general percentage increases/pct) concerning short cycles for novice/intermediate folks (or if they should even be considered). also looking foward to that log and wondering if it was posted elsewhere...thanks

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...30#post2490430

[armbar83]

thanks!

[Property of Steroid.com]

i think its pretty well established that they work (at least somewhat, eventhough I suspect them to be VERY effective).. to me the question is long term safety.. that Im not convinced yet...

There's no question that taking a TON of steroids over a short time is going to work. The question is whether that works better than moderate dosages over a long time, etc...

[twiney]

Article by Paul Borrenson
The following article was written by the late Paul Borrenson. .

Does the human race not strive for the security of mediocrity. It takes courage to stand out, to be different. To be controversial. Here I am perhaps a controversial amongst controversial's. Nobody would notice you if you where small. I guess you can live with a little attention.
Nobody is going to notice me if I rehash other peoples ideas. Guess I can live with that. I have worked hard for more than a decade coaching and learning to get to where I am now. I have pretty much personally experienced everything I write about. If I cannot defend it I will not say it.
If you have the knowledge to make you a 200 LB man then a 230 LB man will have controversial things to say and all the little 200 LB people will criticize the lone 230 LOB person. This is simply an extension of the drive for mediocrity.
Neitzce said:

THAT YOU CAN DETERMINE THE WEAKNESS OF A MANS PERSONALITY BY THE AMOUNT OF CRITISISM THAT COMES FROM HIS MOUTH.

I moved to a new house in country with my wife and children. Bought myself that Staffordshire Bull Terrier puppy and completed The Stack Book. I finally managed to read The History Of Western Philosophy after 3 years, trained ate, slept and attended to my business.
I imagine a dog with a bowl of chicken happily eating its food when three other dogs come along and start growling. They want the food. If the dog looks up from its meal and growls back at one of the dogs the other two will move in and steal the food. The dog with the chicken needs to keep his head down and continue eating. Eventually the other dogs will start fighting amongst themselves or move onto another potential victim.
This is an important lesson. If you are to truly succeed as a bodybuilder then you need to keep your eyes well and truly focused on your bowl of food. Focus, do not let things distract you from achieving your objectives. Before we get into hard core use of pharmaceuticals lets agree for the thousandth time that you have to eat every couple of hours, consume plenty of quality protein, train your butt off in the gym. Go to bed early each night.
Success is about being a participator rather than a spectator in your own life. Successful people do not stay up all night wrapped up in mindless gossip. They eat and get to bed.
From a platform of doing the basics we can open our eyes and our minds to untold possibilities. Scary stuff for the uninitiated. Remember the first time you injected yourself. Scary at the time and now you probably think nothing of it. Well, perhaps it is time to scare you again.
Extreme dose use of anabolic steroids does occur. It was inevitable given the mentality of us bodybuilders. I talk daily to people using 1- 5 grams a week. Not just the odd person hundred of people.
I am not advocating such use. However, I will tell you how it is done.
First it is not done all the time. It is a now and then stack to blast through sticking points. I am a part of a scientific study at The University Of South Glamorgan in Cardiff. WE are looking at long term steroid users and assessing their health over many parameters. The people that have injured themselves are the people that stay on small to moderate doses all of the time. Later in the year Fergal Grace and myself with have a few papers published supporting my claim.
I believe but do not as yet have the scientific evidence to support me that. High dose short duration cycles are much less harmful than longer moderate or even low dose courses.

I propose 15 - 30 day cycles with doses 1,000 mg a day.

Understand this, a course of this magnitude will produce rapid tissue gain and contradict much of what you currently believe. The possibility of it will attacked by skinny old men an ex champions alike. I say this, unless you have tried it do not knock it.
You are not going to hurt yourself in 25 days. If you keep a watch for the danger signs such as rising blood pressure you can make appropriate adjustments as you go along. After such a stack I would have 15 days clear. The stack should be designed in such as way that the gear eliminates as the off period begins.
I would then do a consolidation programme low dose. Under 1 mg per kg bodyweight per day for 6 weeks. The cycle logic I proposed in my first book The Anabolic Edge. Then I would have a 30 day break.
I believe that breaks longer than 30 days are unproductive. However, not having the breaks at all is downright stupid.
In our new book The Stack Book (the alpha session) Bill and I have a 10 point countdown before starting any programme let alone a big one.
Preparation is everything. I imagine an airplane ready to take off. It starts up it engine, taxis out onto the run way and builds up speed. All the while the pilot initiates pre-flight checks. If anything is wrong the plane aborts.
Too often we rush into programmes without adequate preparation and the plan comes crashing down.
Health matters. Sick people cannot possibly grow. So, if you are going to seriously have a crack at one of my short duration high dose programmes do the preflight checks first.

PREFLIGHT CHECKS COUNTDOWN TO THE STACKS……………..

10.
Diet is good: lots of protein, balanced nutrition, not an entirely liquid diet. Any protein supplements, not whey alone, but blends of different isolates.
9.
Getting plenty of quality rest. A good 8 hours every night. If not, then this could be the first pharmaceutical step you should consider. Something to help you sleep. Once you go on a stack this will get even harder. Unless you sleep well, in which case leave well alone, augment your sleep with a safe option.
Absolutely never use GHB…This is no bodybuilding drug and has screwed up more people that Cannabis and Nubain put together. I despise all of these drugs. I was once addicted to nubain and it crept up on me and swallowed me whole for a while.
GHB does stimulate serotonin and this makes for a little GH production, but it stimulates considerably more cortisol and this makes for the big muscle shrink.
I prefer a simple benzodiazapene taken intermittently to avoid the possibility of dependence. Twice or three times a week when you really need it. Products of choice are -
Lorazepam 50mg aka Seresta, aka oxazepan.
Diazepam 10-15 mg.
Nitrazepam 50mg.
Tamazipam lingers the next day too much.
Another possibility is a good hypnotic which puts you to sleep but wears off once you are in deep sleep. These are non-addictive.
Zopiclone
Benzo's are the world's ultimate GH stimulators as well. You must be careful to not take them then go out. Be strict on yourself and have deliberate nights when you do and do not use them. I use them after back and legs.
Stay away from the latest Hypnoval craze, you lose time on this drug and do not use Nubain under any circumstances, it is insidious and horrible and has ruined more bodybuilders than I can remember.
8.
There is no point starting the stack if you cannot get to the gym over the next few weeks. Select a stack that is appropriate to your imminent lifestyle. Likewise, if you are injured or your wife is about to have a baby. Think before you launch before you press the fire button on the stack rocket. Are all systems go ?
7.
Health. Are you ill ? If so, is it something that will clear up with a good course of antibiotics ? Remember, a gear course will first drop your immune system, so if you are sick now you will be worse shortly after and this will crash the rocket.
Most infections can easily be killed off using a course of antibiotics. Indeed there is the high possibility that you are low grade. What do I mean by this ?
Low grade means that you carry a virus in your body at a level, which your immune system can control but it cannot put out the fire.
A good friend of mine called Mick had not gained for two years. He was unmotivated, having problems sleeping and feeling very low. I studied his blood test and I suspected that he was low grade, his thyroid was low to mid-normal and his globulin was elevated, a clear sign of someone fighting an infection.
Mick took Inosine Pranobex for 20 days, 4 tablets a day. He has gained over 40 LB in the year since and his life changed within a week for the better. He had been low grade.
Inosine Pranobex fortifies the immune system against viral infection and I use a course twice a year or if I am run down cannot shake off a virus.
For general bacterial infections antibiotics are a must.
My preferences are: Doxycyline, 100mg per day.
Otherwise amoxicillin 3 times, 500mg per day combined with tetracycline which kills one particular anaerobe that amoxicillin cannot get.
For abscesses, you cannot beat Augmentin, which is far superior to fluhroxicillin; the cheaper alternative.
6.
Finances: be sure that you can afford the stack you are about to undertake. There is no point over-stretching yourself and not having enough money to eat. I believe that the runway ahead should be clear from the start. I like to have everything I am going to need ready in my special cupboard at the start. This way you can always build little pyramids with the gearboxes and castles with the protein tubs.
5.
Remove All demotivators. There are things that will bring our rocket down onto the ground . For the most part these are optional wrong choices that we are making in our daily lives and these must be eliminated immediately if we are truly hardcore and really going for the finish line. Cannabis is one of the worst drugs for bodybuilding that I can think of. It is the single most potent demotivator. Do not tell me that it stimulates androgen production or that it chills you out. I have seen a cannabis addict tear up his floorboards looking for something he had hidden.
Cannabis produces oestrogen, fact of life. Cannabis negatively affects the part of the mind that motivates us into taking action. It makes you do nothing when you should do something. Its users are prone to mood swings, irrational behavior, temper tantrums and worst of all a higher chance of bacterial infections.
Nubain. Second worst on the list. This is an opiate and single handedly destroyed an enormous section of British bodybuilding. It creeps up slowly on the users until they get needle frenzy and all the other aspects of an addiction .
I personally needed a week in detox to get rid of this stuff. Which is the only time I have been in detox, but it shows the extent of the Nubain problem. I entered with innocence thinking all those years ago that it suppressed my cortisol levels. It took me in, chewed me up and spat me out and I was still kicking and screaming.
GHB. Of late many people are getting GHB addiction and they are harder to deal with than straight heroin addicts. The users cannot feel good, no matter what they do, because they cannot produce enough seretonin. It appears that the damage is permanent and the only possible way back once you are really hooked is methadone.
People started having little sips throughout the day, which makes them, feel positive and more confident. This is similar to a cocaine addiction in perception and considerably worse because there is a genuine physical dependence with GHB.
ALCOHOL….The most obvious demotivator. I am not against the odd drink, but if you are going on a course and taking the risks involved there is no place for drinking.
4.
Even the best-laid plans of men can go wrong. Commit yourself now to your plan and be prepared to make adjustments. Have definite goals for what you are about to do. You should know where you should be at any given time or date. If you fall behind you must know how the stack works and why it works and make the appropriate adjustment.
Chart your course, navigate the way ahead and you will be on course, stay on course and arrive at your destination.
3.
POSITIVE ATTITUDE…..Be wary of people that will try to throw your rocket off course. Often these will be those closest to you. I find it better to keep quiet about what I am doing until I have done it. Negative people and negative thoughts must be thrown overboard right now.
2.
SUPPORT SYSTEMS. I rely heavily on my family and they enable me to realize all that I achieve and succeed in. Even the writing of this book, right now my wife is keeping the children happy in the other room. This is a part of my support system. My friend Kevin is collecting me for training in an hour, My staff help take phone calls so that I can write the book. These support systems are vital and you need to know and plan to make sure they are all "on-line".
1.
If everything goes wrong be prepared to make a conscious decision to abort early. If you fall ill or your dog gets sick and you cannot leave his side, then stop immediately regroup and start again later. The decision to abort should be made earlier rather than later. Do not press on regardless if the plane is going to come down, land now, not later.
Of course with all being well this will not be the case.

EXAMPLE OF A HIGH DOSE SHORT DURATION STACK

18 DAYS IN A MASSAGE PARLOUR STACK
This is a sophisticated stack and I wrote it for a current Mr. Universe to enable this person to gain more mass over the Christmas period. We use this stack on the back of a successful period of gains after competition. This is the second course for Mr. Universe since the show so his bodyweight has reached a plateau and something new and juicy is required to get things moving.
There is a need for oestrogen buffering firstly it is a good anti-catabolic strategy but also to keep control of the androgenic effects of the steroid aspects of this cycle.

EACH DAY:
40mg Tamoxifen
1 Diazide tablet
Armidex 2 times 2mg per day
ANABOLIC
Two simple strategies were used. Insulin in the form of 30 IU Insulinard taken first thing in the morning rising by 5 IU a day until the peak of 55 IU was achieved. This does deliver a large dose of rapid acting insulin in the first 90 minutes as Insulintard is 30 percent fast acting. For this reason Mr. universe has to eat directly after taken the shot and again an hour later. Large meals with a total of 200 grams of carbohydrates which a 800 Kcals straight off.
Growth hormone taken in two microcyles throughout the 18 days of the cycle.
Days 5,6,7,8 4 IU each day take as two divided doses of 2 IU.
Days 12,13 8 IU taken as four divided doses of 2 IU
Also T3 at a small dose of 25 MCG a day was recommended. " days on one days off this is purely to increment metabolic activity.
THE ANTICATABOLIC ASPECT
We took 2 bottles of Capristan The real product. Both had 50 ML
ONLY AVAILABLE FROM MYSELF AT THE MOMENT.

We called them bottles A and B:

BOTTLE A
We added
20 ML Deca 2,00
20 ML Primo Depot
10 ML Test propionate

BOTTLE B
We added
20 Ml Testosterone Enanthate
20 Ml Sustanon
10 Ml Testosterone Propionate
This is how the course was structured. Remember this is a big man. Over 330 LB in good condition so you have to adjust accordingly…..

ALL SHOTS ARE LOCATED
DAYS 1- 5
10 Ml bottle A per day. Taken as 4 2.5 ML shots located.
DAYS 6-12
5 Ml bottle A and 5 Ml bottle B taken each day.
DAYS 13 - 18
10 Ml Bottle B taken each day…….
I hope that you enjoy my material and if my work is appreciated
Thank you for the support and I look forward to flying to South Carolina later in the year for the hardest hitting seminar, we will try to stop the world from going round that day. I also have an on-line seminar coming up and if you watch the pages of this magazine they will keep you posted. Whatever you do, don't let the human drive for mediocrity slow you down. Decide for yourself.

PAUL R BORRESEN

[stupidhippo]

what was Paul B's cause of death?

[goose]

what was Paul B's cause of death?

To call renegade pharmacologist Paul Borresen an authority on drug usage is an enormous understatement. When it comes to firsthand experience, Paul may very well be the authority! Slin,DNP ,IGF he was pretty much the first clan of guys to trial.I can't think of too many people who have pushed the pharmacological envelope as far as Paul. Yet, what makes this remarkable man so different than many of the old bodybuilders who merely stay on whatever gear they can get for as long as they can get it, Paul was one of the most knowledgeable people around in the science of anabolic steroids back in the day,you have to remeber this was the time when test was considered dirty,you had stacks like deca and Dbol .

Some people have practical knowledge. Some people have the schooling. Paul Borresen had both, not to mention a 285-pound physique that doesn't stray far from around 8% body fat! How many of today's "gurus" do you know that can make the same claim?

He was an insane guy,lots of cash,had a coke habit,like many AAS users.He had a devastating car crash which caused a major back injury,the mix with strong painkillers and coke caused his death not AAS.