Short heavy cyles explained- PB theory

[marcus300]

Due to the large number of PM's i have recieved i thought i would explain this theory alittle more,

You cant keep building muscle tissue over long periods of time because weight gain and muscular growth don't happen that way. Not in infants, toddlers, teenagers, or even weight trainers. Instead, weight gain seems to come in spurts or surges. It's amazing how you can train hard and eat very well year round yet only seem to make progress in quick little infrequent spurts of growth even with taking all the AAS compounds the body still gets use to what its taken.

The body can gain large tissue gains for short periods of time but it cant keep maintaining this for weeks on end, it is possible to gain a 1lb a day for the first few weeks of this type of cycling,if your advanced enough and you know how to combat the side effects this is amazing way to push yourself past any sticking point into new growth, if you have the right enviroment for the body it will have rapid fast growth

Also its not just the gear and cycling what makes this work its the training and diet what comes with this method which also helps a great deal in the process, you can mentaly get ready for this method and put 100% into everything 24hr dedication for 30 days but impossible to keep this type of intensity up for weeks on end, what i mean about priming the body is the run up to this type of cycling, you need to be totaly free from gear and start to prime (with diet) yourself and this will make an enviroment for large muscle tissue gains what can be maintained without bridging and also recovery is far easier, you dont carry on with high dosages either the next cycle can be a short one but the dose is very mild and because the body isnt use to it, it still grows at a fast rate,

ive cycled over the last 17yrs and have kept a diary with all my cycles in it, ive done 30 week cycles and short ones and i can honestly say its the short ones which keep the most gains, with long term cycles you end up bridging or cruising which means you have to keep increasing the dose of the test with each new cycle, gains get harder and harder to obtain,

This theory is Paul Borreson's who made Dorain Yates the man he become and many more top BB's, he adviced me on many things and always pushed this method, he was years ahead of the game,and it has been proven many times, i am also in contact with alot of BB's from this site who have tried this theory and have had amazing results, ive just finished a 30 day cycle and am in pct, gains are great,

it also depends on your cycle history for which dose you go on and not what others are using, ive seen amazing results over the years and recovery & maintenance are very easy.

if the younger ones would just listen and do this type of cycling they would stop alot of heartache when they are older, briding/coasting/HRT/ increased mg everytime they go back on a cycle, but i must say some are listening because of some of the senior members are talking about it and trying it with results,

i must state again that before you start your cycle you MUST prime your body and create an anabolic enviroment so when you do start large muscle tissue come on very quickly.the muscle receptors get very excitable with this method,

prime your body before cycle + high dose of AAS + GH + very intense training program = hugh muscle tissue gains within 30 day cycles = fact!

primming the body before a short heavy cycle is one of the most important thing you can do especailly with this theory, you diet down and lose fat, just like a comp diet or ive found better way of priming by cycling the carbs 3 low 1 high this will create a very anabolic emviroment for muscle tissue to grow, the muscle receptors get highly excitable and upgrade and able to accept more glucose and because glucose levels are not full in the muscle the result is more deposited into the muscle instead of fat cells which creates an enviroment to build muscle tissue very quickley, if this is done correcty and AAS+GH are combined and timed right when you start this heavy short cycle, growth is amazing,
When you are priming you must up your protein and aminos to compensate any catabolism,

The dosage of theses cycles are worked out for the indivdual by looking back over his cycle history and are NOT a long cycle just cut down in size, THESE CYCLES ARE NOT FOR FIRST TIMERS OR PEOPLE WHO HAVE NOT GOT ALOT OF CYCLE HISTORY

Regards marcus

[HUNTER1]

Nice, good read!

[Booz]

great post marcus as usual!!
i know your methods and to some that are set in their ways they are a tad alien but if you really think about it and go about it in the right manner this is an awsome way too cycle!short 30 day hits,i know you put a good amount of weight on and for only 30 days that is great!
if it wasnt for me already purchasing my summer cycle i would be running this way,but i will have a bang at the end of or start of next year!
again as you have stated many times this is not for the beginner,the doses are dependable on previouse cycles!!
The Shadow was a monster!!!nuff said!!!
props marcus!

[usamm]

nice post

[marcus300]

great post marcus as usual!!
i know your methods and to some that are set in their ways they are a tad alien but if you really think about it and go about it in the right manner this is an awsome way too cycle!short 30 day hits,i know you put a good amount of weight on and for only 30 days that is great!
if it wasnt for me already purchasing my summer cycle i would be running this way,but i will have a bang at the end of or start of next year!
again as you have stated many times this is not for the beginner,the doses are dependable on previouse cycles!!
The Shadow was a monster!!!nuff said!!!
props marcus!

Thanks booz for your comments,

[novicenovicen]

Marcus, where can i find this information, so I may study up and incorporate?
Also would this be beneficial to people who are looking to be powerlifter big?

[IBdmfkr]

Thanks for this post Marcus, I'll have to dig up some of your older posts, as many of them explain further on this theory. Still much has been left unsaid as far as individualizing this program.

[stocky121]

great read bro

[marcus300]

Thanks for this post Marcus, I'll have to dig up some of your older posts, as many of them explain further on this theory. Still much has been left unsaid as far as individualizing this program.

if i post cycles and dosages it would shock alot of people and the beginner/novice may just start using such dosages which would be very dangerous, this is why i havent given an example cycle for just this reason, there are to many newbie on this site and this is why this as to be kept with the more advanced BB,

thanks for your comments

ive pm you...

[IBdmfkr]

Got it, thx bro. Yes, those dosages are shocking but I understand where you're coming from.

[novicenovicen]

Marcus,
thats a kool way of doing it. I guess i should have thought about that just from reading the 100 crazy posts I read a day about some 16 year old trying to do AAs ( with a deca anavar dianabol only cycle, BTW whats PCT???? hahah). Would you mind sending me a PM about the proper time in someones building career, that this would be appropriate?

[marcus300]

Got it, thx bro. Yes, those dosages are shocking but I understand where you're coming from.

them dosages were right for you only, other people may start lower or alot higher,

[marcus300]

Marcus,
thats a kool way of doing it. I guess i should have thought about that just from reading the 100 crazy posts I read a day about some 16 year old trying to do AAs ( with a deca anavar dianabol only cycle, BTW whats PCT???? hahah). Would you mind sending me a PM about the proper time in someones building career, that this would be appropriate?

i must state again these cycles are not for a novice/beginner

you need to have a good few years of training under your belt before even thinking about doing one, you also need to have had afew course's and you know how your body reacts to different compounds, this way of cycling can be used by many but you must remember the dose is going to be alot higher than your normally use.

[novicenovicen]

Good,
Well i will be Pming you in a year or so. hahahahah. Good reads here.

[IBdmfkr]

I'm not even positive I'm ready for this type of cycling, I'll have to give it some thought and study-up on PB's theories and ideas. Where did you go to find most of your info Marcus?

[marcus300]

I'm not even positive I'm ready for this type of cycling, I'll have to give it some thought and study-up on PB's theories and ideas. Where did you go to find most of your info Marcus?

I use to know him, he adviced me a few years back on certain things,
its not just PB who as talked about this theory Dan Duchaine, Jeff Summers, have also used it and studied it with great success,

PB has a bachelor's degree in biochemistry he graduated with first class honours, he then went on to get his master's degree in pharmaclogy specializing in the study of receptor sites and their function, his work as been published in medical journals throughout the world and has had articles appear in over 200 magazines on various aspects of steriod use and their application to bodybuilders, he also transform the world aids victims and how we can substain life longer with steriod applications,top pro's ask PB for advice on stacks and cycles just to name one was DY who was under PB arm durring his Olympia battles,

i also know that Dorian said in interviews that he had nothing to do with PB or his theorys, but Dorian was pushed to say these things because of his sponsers, he still was in contact with him for years tho.
he also didnt die due to his steriod use, he broke his back in an accident which made him use pain killers so he could train again, he overdosed on the pain killers.

I think you can buy his books and videos online, just to name two of them-

1,The Anabolic Edge 2001
Written by the legend PB, this masterpiece, if you had to pick one, would be the best because it details the combination of drugs, supplements and foods and how they interact “anabolically” with each other more thoroughly than any steroid book.

Many stacks are discussed as only “Stack Master PB” can discuss them . . . HARD-CORE beyond HHHARD-CORE! This book, just on its own, is good for 20 pounds of muscle!

2,How To Stack Steroids
The “Stack Master” strikes again. But this time Paul devotes an entire book The Stack to this most fascinating subject. Now you’ll easily be certified by the post office as a “new zip code” once you try any one of the dozens of stacks Paul has used to “manufacture” the biggest bodybuilders in the world. Must be 21 to read! The most controversial steroid book on the market.

[Spyder]

Thanks Marcus, awesome read. I would really like to give this theory a go over the next few years.

[AleX-69]

hi guys a while back i read a post from "realgains" on another forum concerning short cycles.. I'll post what he said here. Maybe you could comment on his theory marcus.
This theory also seems to be better suited for steroid newbies

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Written by Realgains

As many of you already know I have had decent success with short cycles. I, along with some of my friends and clients, have had good results with cycles as short as 14 days long.

I no longer do cycles longer than 4-6 weeks as I am simply sick of the sides that build up after 4-6 weeks and I no longer feel comfortable walking around with a shitty lipid profile for months on end.


WHAT QUALIFIES AS SHORT

"In my book" any cycle 6 weeks or less is a short cycle. Personally I now think that 4 weekers give the best gains to sides ratio.

You can do 2 weeks "on" 2-4 weeks "off"
You can do 4 weeks on and 4-6 weeks off
Or you can do 6 weeks on with 6-8 weeks off.
4 weeks on and 4 weeks off, year round, gives excellent results and you are only "on" half the year.

WHY DO THEM

#1.
If you are one of those bro's that does longer cycles, of say 10-12 weeks or more, and then wisely takes an equal amount of time off, and you are tired of loosing so much of your gains post cycle due to the length of the time off...the yoyo affect....then why not try doing shorter cycles with their corresponding shorter off times...... obviously you don't gain as much with a short cycle but then again you don't loose as much post cycle either due to the shorter off time.

Now... over say a year of doing 4 on 4-6 off you are gong to get very similar results as that seen from doing longer cycles of say 12 "on" 12-14 off but with less yo-yo affect and less sides. In fact most of my clients that do 4-6 week cycles tell me that they are actually getting better gains over a years use.

#2.
Do them to have less of a negative impact on ones lipid profile and to have less total time per year with a poor lipid profile.

Some of you may not know that androgens, taken at even newbie bodybuilding doses, alter everyones lipid profile. Everyone sees their hdl(good cholesterol) take a huge "nosedive" and most also see their ldl(bad cholesterol) go up to some degree but not to the same degree that hdl decreases. Generally hdl decreases 40-70% in as little as 2 weeks and ldl increases an average of 36% in 4 weeks. In my experience this reduction in hdl puts all bro's hdl WELL below the pathological minimum of 35. My ldl does not elevate above the pathological level of 160 but others see ldl's well above 160.
Lipid levels typically normalize within 3-10 weeks after discontinuation.
( details taken from article in Medscape)

Here are my "numbers" from the last long cycle of test 750mg/week and Tren 75mg/day. A powerful stack but not a huge dose of gear. It's been as bad with less powerful gear and lower doses. Blood work done after week 7.

Total cholesterol 181...not bad.
ldl 160...not very good
hdl 11.6! CRAPPY big time
Cholesterol to hdl ratio 15.7 to 1...ABSOLUTELY TERRIBLE! This is when my doc and I had a COW at the same time.
Triglycerides 50...good.

Here is my "baseline" without gear

Chol 152...great
ldl 106...great
hdl 45-48...good
tri 50..good
chol to hdl ratio....3.16 to 1.....good

.As far as I and my endochrinologist are concerned this lipid altering side of gear use is the single worst side of steroid use .
In as little as a week hdl decreases. Personally my brother-in-law and I really see a huge decrease after about 3 weeks "on' cycle. The last time I did a long cycle my total cholesterol to hdl ratio plummeted to 15 to 1!...My doc had a cow and so did I!!

According to current medical thought ones total cholesterol to hdl ratio is the single greatest LIPID indicator for assessing ones chances of developing heart disease. Men with low total cholesterols but with crappy hdl have gone on to develope heart disease WITHOUT ANY OTHER RISK FACTORS such as smoking, or diabetes.

Ideally you want an hdl of at least 40 and a ratio of 3.5 to 1 or better.

My mentor, the late great MIKE MENTZER died of heart disease at age 50 and I know for a fact that ARNOLD had more than valve surgery(I am an operating room nurse as well as a trainer)


#3.
Do them to decrease liver stress.
Generally long cycles with non 17aa roids are not that hard on the liver but sometimes one can get into trouble. The short cycle allows for less total stress on the liver and the frequent "off" times allows the liver to regenerate very well.
Generally a healthy liver can take pretty big "hits" for short periods of time without any problem ...it is long term stress that cause liver damage(as seen with elevated GGT enzyme levels)

#4.
Do them if you want to "tone down" your use of steroids .

#5.
Do them if you do NOT want to use HCG during a cycle to prevent testicular atrophy. HPTA shut down will be complete in as little as a week "on" but testicualr atrophy is minimal due to the short length of this shut down. This then allows for better HPTA recovery post cycle.
It is small testes that makes HPTA recovery slow because GnRH from the hypothalamus and LH from the pituitary normally rebound pretty rapidly.
* There will be some testicular shrinkage in any cycle so if you do 4 "on" 4 "off" for several cycles in a row then it would be a good idea to use hcg at 500iu's every 3rd day while "on" to prevent testicular atrophy...the 4 weeks "off" may not be enough time to allow for complete testicular recovery and over the span of several cycles this may impact your HPTA recovery.

You certainly can use hcg while on any short cycle to prevent any testicular shrinkage if you like but it really isn't necessary.

#6.
Do them if you do not want to see much in the way of water retention and do not want to use an estrogen inhibitor or an ace inhibitor(diuretic)


#7.
Do them if you get high blood pressure and do not wish to use the above mentioned ancillaries.

#8. Do them if you are sick of androgenic sides such as ance, prostate hypertrophy and hair loss(if prone to hair loss) etc etc.
Androgen sides come on for two reason...dose used and especially length of time "on". I do not get acne until after 4 weeks on and then I get hammered.....and I hate it.

#9.
Do them if you are tired of walking around with high estrogen levels for months on end and do not wish to or cannot afford to use an estrogen inhibitor. High estrogen levels are NOT good for the prostate at all!

You certainly can use estrogen inhibitors if you like if you want to keep estrogen levels down and experience very little water retention.


WHY NOT TO DO THEM

Obviously if you compete at a high level then short cycles are probably not the best for you, BUT I think they are the best way to use steroids for the vast majority of bro's.
Top competitors need to be "on" either all the time or most of the time....thats unfortunate but usually necessary in order to get freaky huge which is now needed to win big.


WHAT TO EXPECT

If one is not yet at ones natural maximum level of muscular developement then very good gains can be seen of up to 15 pounds and 10 pounds kept after a 4 weeker...as long as you train correctly as a natural post cycle.

If one is off gear and has dropped to ones natural max then a short cycle can add up to 10 pounds. If you take no more than 6 weeks off after each four weeker you will not loose much...then in each successive cycle you can still gain but the gains will be smaller the further you get from your natural max.

Those that are off cycle and have not yet shrunk down to their natural max can still gain well with successive short cycles but don't expect to win at the national level.

One of the things I like about short cycles is the short time "off" between cycles.......muscular atrophy is minimal during the off time and you are allowing for frequent bodily normalization after minimal time "on". LESS SIDES IN GENERAL, LESS TIME WITH A SHITTY LIPID PROFILE and LESS MUSCLE LOSS POST CYCLE.

NOTE: You cannot get "freaky big" in this way...that takes very big doses and spending most of the year, for years on end, on steroids as well as GH and slin, and that my freinds is simply not a good idea unless you plan to make your living as a bodybuilder.

Getting pretty darn big in small steps is a safer way to use gear IMHO...and it messes less with one head too. Some guys really get depressed during "off" times of 12 or more weeks waiting to start their next cycle.


GEAR CHOICE and RATIONAL

The idea behind short cycles is to "get in" quick, hit the androgen receptors hard, get some gains, and then get the hell out as fast as possible so as to minimize sides. So with this in mind one should only use orals and rapid acting/clearing injectables. The limited time "on' simply doesn't justify the use of the "slower" esterfied injectables like deca etc. Also, these same roids take too long to clear the system and that too goes against the philosophy of short cycles.

The gear choosen should be powerful for best results and doses need to be decent as well in order to get the most from the short time on.
You can use mild gear like anavar but your results will be reduced.

BEST Gear

d-bol
test prop Tren anadrol

BEST stacks.

Personally I think d-bol/tren cannot be beat. There is only one roid that is better than testosterone , in the short run, IMHO and that is d-bol...too bad it's 17aa.

Test prop/tren
Test prop/tren/winny
Test prop/anadrol
Test prop/d-bol


STACKS AND DOSE EXAMPLES

I like Tren and I like d-bol and especially for a shorty. YES NEWBIE you can use these strong androgens and NO Tren is not hard on the kidneys(myth).

Some guys think I am nuts for recommending Tren for a first cycle and they say it is too harsh.... but most of the same bro's will recommend a long cycle of test/d-bol for a newbie and I can assure you that a long cycle of test/d-bol is going to give you more sides than a shorty with Tren and d-bol. Bro's test is just as "harsh" as Tren and it causes a good deal of water retention, with resultant increase in BP(bad in some bro's) unless you use an estrogen inhibitor....and shit test/d-bol stacks are WAY "harsher" than Tren.

The only issue with Tren is the frequent injecting required.....but I know some of you newbies have been researching for a long time and are fine with the idea of frequent injections(they aren't that bad!)


Novice... TREN/D-BOL.... Tren 50mg/day for 4 weeks and d-bol 30mg/day in 4 divided doses per day(one right before bed) for 4 weeks.
Two days after last Tren do Clomid at 200-300mg on day one in divided doses and then 50-100mg/day for a week and then 50mg a day for 3 more weeks. OR...Nolva at 80mg on day one in divided doses followed by 40mg/day for a week and then 20mg/day for 3 more weeks.
Have nolva or Clomid on hand for gyno protection.

More advanced...200 of Tren on day one as a front load to get Tren levels up pronto and then 75mg/day for 4 weeks. D-bol 50mg/day in 4 divided doses for 4 weeks. SERMS as above

Novice...TEST PROP/TREN

Test prop 75mg/day for 4 weeks and Tren 50mg/day for 4 weeks. Serms as above. nolva on hand.

more advanced.....Test prop 300mg on day one and then 100-200mg/day for 4 weeks. Tren 75mg/day. An estrogen inhibitor might be needed.

MEGA STACK... ADVANCED
Test prop 300mg on day one and then 100mg /day for 4 weeks, d-bol 50mg/day and Tren 75mg/day......LOOK THE HELL OUT! Have the nolva on the tip of your tongue he he he ...arimidex at 1-1.5mg/day would be wise even for the short 4 week period.

SINGLE STEROIDS

D-bol really is an unreal roid and as I said it is even better than test in the short run IMHO.
One can get very nice results from d-bol alone at 50mg/day for 4-6 weeks. Don't take it for longer than 6 weeks though as it is a 17aa roid and as such is somewhat hard on the liver.
D-bol for 6 weeks at a time was a favorite cycle length in the old days and produced excellent gains.

Test prop can be run all by itself at 75-200mg/day with great results too.



OKAY.....BUT YOU SAY YOU ONLY HAVE SUST, EQ, CYP etc

Long chain esterfied roids and tests are not the best choice for the shorty, as explained above, but they can work pretty well IF you do pretty large front loads. FRONT LOADS simply help to get blood hormone levels up more quickly.

ie: Intermediate user doing test cyp ...do a FRONT LOAD of at least 800mg on day one...then 2 days latter do 400mg and then every 4h day do another 400.
400 every 4th day is equal to 700mg per week.

Run the cyp for 4-6 weeks and you'll get some decent gains from it.

* Best to use Tren with this cycle....or d-bol (1 mg of arimidex/day if using d-bol and test)

* After the last shot of cyp you are going to have to wait for a couple weeks for androgen levels to drop before you start PCT and this is akin to lengthening the cycle.



BLOOD LIPIDS

You might want to consider taking the worlds best hdl improver while "on" cycle...NIACIN!
Nothing even comes close to niacins hdl incresing powers. Personally it has not helped my hdl while "on' nor has it helped my brother-in-laws, but you might see some level of improvement(don't expect a great improvement though since androgens do such a great job of messing with hepatic lipaze)

Nicain comes in three forms...regular, extended release(Niaspan) and non flush niacin. Niaspan is the best and works well at 1500mg/day taken once daily. Regular niacin works well at 600-1000mg three times a day but it gives a nasty ichy flush for a while after taking each pill.
Non flush works fairly well at 2-3 grams a day but not as good as the others IMHO.


Use nicain while "off" for sure as it will rapidly improve your shitty hdl level.
NOTE*** niacin can be hard on the liver so never use it with acutane which is hard on the liver. You really should have liver panels done if you use niacin for more than 6 weeks and be followed by a doctor(Swale would be good) especially if you are on steroids as well.

ENTER POLICOSANOL

DrVeejay11(real doctor) introduced me to another great lipid protector/improver and it too raises hdl BUT BONUS...it lowers ldl too.. and it's not liver toxic at all so you could use this stuff all the time with no worries.
Do a search at www.medscape.com for abstracts on POLICOSANOL.


I recommed that all be followed by a doctor while on steroids or at the very least educate yourself about the sides of steroid use and how to avoid the pitfalls by following yourself with blood work at labs that do not require a docs script(especially liver panels... and psa for us older guys) And guys at a minimum also watch your blood pressure while on gear at your local drug store monitoring station....keep the BP under 140 over 90 if you can especailly if you are "on" for months on end.


Best of gains and health to you all.

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[marcus300]

Alex69, he is defo hitting on the same kind of theory, intresting

[G-Force]

after having done 3 cycles in the past all of which were over 12 weeks
i am keen to try out this short/heavy type of cycling

i definitely get my best results in the first 4 weeks and
and i hate being off for 12 + weeks

what would the PCT be like for one of these heavy 4 weekers Marcus

will they need to be equally as heavy?

[AleX-69]

one or two years ago as i started to inform myself 'bout aas use i had a conversation via email with him concering his short cycle theory.
He really seems to know his sh***.

Since then i wonderd why this topic wasn't more popular especially for non competitive BB's..
So I'm glad you started this thread marcus. Maybe short cycles will get a bit more attention now..

[marcus300]

after having done 3 cycles in the past all of which were over 12 weeks
i am keen to try out this short/heavy type of cycling

i definitely get my best results in the first 4 weeks and
and i hate being off for 12 + weeks

what would the PCT be like for one of these heavy 4 weekers Marcus

will they need to be equally as heavy?

just think if you put everything into them first 4 weeks, ie- intense training,food,AAS and if the body was primed correctly beforehand, just think how much more you would grow, your better off taking advantage of the first 4 weeks because you cant keep on growing for weeks on end, just put 24/7 dedication into the 4 weeks which is possible but yet again its not for weeks on end, take advantage of the growth spurts/bursts because its the best time to, can you see were am coming from??

pct is done the normal way you would recover from a standerd cycle, but must say recovery is easier you rebound very quickley, thats if you havent done to much damage with long drawn out cycles..

[marcus300]

one or two years ago as i started to inform myself 'bout aas use i had a conversation via email with him concering his short cycle theory.
He really seems to know his sh***.

Since then i wonderd why this topic wasn't more popular especially for non competitive BB's..
So I'm glad you started this thread marcus. Maybe short cycles will get a bit more attention now..

Thanks,
people get set in their ways for cycling, but there is more than 1 way to do it, people should never dismiss anything in bodybuilding, if this system works for you you will see amazing gains, and am sure you will never do aheavy long cycle again

[G-Force]

just think if you put everything into them first 4 weeks, ie- intense training,food,AAS and if the body was primed correctly beforehand, just think how much more you would grow, your better off taking advantage of the first 4 weeks because you cant keep on growing for weeks on end, just put 24/7 dedication into the 4 weeks which is possible but yet again its not for weeks on end, take advantage of the growth spurts/bursts because its the best time to, can you see were am coming from??

pct is done the normal way you would recover from a standerd cycle, but must say recovery is easier you rebound very quickley, thats if you havent done to much damage with long drawn out cycles..

yeah i see where your comming from
but what do u mean be priming your body before hand

i am always eating corectly with high protein etc year round so i dont know what u mean by priming yourself

unless u mean a short 4 week cut/diet with low carbs before you throw huge amount of calories/AAS at your body?

[marcus300]

yeah i see where your comming from
but what do u mean be priming your body before hand

i am always eating corectly with high protein etc year round so i dont know what u mean by priming yourself

unless u mean a short 4 week cut/diet with low carbs before you throw huge amount of calories/AAS at your body?

primming the body before a short heavy cycle is one of the most important thing you can do especailly with this theory, you diet down and lose fat, just like a comp diet or ive found better way of priming by cycling the carbs 3 low 1 high this will create a very anabolic emviroment for muscle tissue to grow, the muscle receptors get highly excitable and upgrade and able to accept more glucose and because glucose levels are not full in the muscle the result is more deposited into the muscle instead of fat cells which creates an enviroment to build muscle tissue very quickley, if this is done correcty and AAS+GH are combined and timed right when you start this heavy short cycle, growth is amazing,
When you are priming you must up your protein and aminos to compensate any catabolism

[vitor]

Greate thread!!

Marcus300- What is your favourite drugs to use in short-burst cycle?

(I was thinking of doing a tren /winstrol /andriol cycle!)

[marcus300]

Greate thread!!

Marcus300- What is your favourite drugs to use in short-burst cycle?

(I was thinking of doing a tren/winstrol/andriol cycle!)

Thanks vitor,

first am not going to discuss dosages on this thread for certain reason,
but the main drug is test, not many compounds are needed, i got to say i love andriol but i wouldnt use an oral in this theory, because of the amount you would need,

but andriol is really good for the maintenace cycle following a short heavy one,

[Xtralarg]

I have done many cycles over the past few years.Most of them have been between8-12 weeks long,what I found is that I grew in the first 4-6 weeks then stopped,no matter what I did after that time I would not gain any more weight.
My last cycle was a short heavy one, it was 4 weeks long.
It included test e,tren e,prop,winny,eq,nolva,T4 and hgh(thru)....I switched and added compounds every 10 days.
During the first two and a half weeks I had gained 14 lbs,the gains then stopped.I ran pct after the cycle hcg ,clom,prov,nolva.
Iis now 3+ weeks since i finished the cycle and I have not lost a single lb which I gained.On top of this my BF % has bropped so the overall muscle gains well exceed 14lbs.
I will never do a cycle loger then 4 weeks again and strongly advise everybody to try one,the results are amazing.

Dont knock it till you've tried it!

[G-Force]

primming the body before a short heavy cycle is one of the most important thing you can do especailly with this theory, you diet down and lose fat, just like a comp diet or ive found better way of priming by cycling the carbs 3 low 1 high this will create a very anabolic emviroment for muscle tissue to grow, the muscle receptors get highly excitable and upgrade and able to accept more glucose and because glucose levels are not full in the muscle the result is more deposited into the muscle instead of fat cells which creates an enviroment to build muscle tissue very quickley, if this is done correcty and AAS+GH are combined and timed right when you start this heavy short cycle, growth is amazing,
When you are priming you must up your protein and aminos to compensate any catabolism

yeah thats what i thought
dieting before a bulker
that is what i have done with this cycle - except it is a long one (18 weeks)

one other thing

- if i can gain 20lbs in 4 weeks (which i normally do) on low moderate doseages

would tripling these doseages actually allow me to gain more than that in 4 weeks?

i cant see the human body being able to grow much quicker than the 20lb/4weeks - maybe a little bit - but i would prob see it as a great deal more gear for just a few extra pounds

i'm going on my personal experiences here - i may be an exception cos i dont know anyone else that has gained as much as me in 4 weeks on such a low dose - i'm sure there are a few and few moore that have gained even more but i am sure they are an exception to the rule

why not use short/low - moderate dose cycles instead?

at least in my case

[primetime1]

marcus, thanks for starting this thread as the feed back is great,
i have some questions also,.. you said high dose of aas+ gh would provide this kinda of growth, but is the gh necessary? could great gains be made wit out it?

also, when you do these short blast, i would presume it would mostly be fast acting aas? would doing these type of cycles allow for one to cycle more often in a year or would more time off be required for recovery?

also, even though dosages are independent of personal experiance could you possibly post and example of how or what you run?

from your experiance, would this be better suited for cutting bulking or both?
thanks in advance for the replys

[AleX-69]

@G-Force

20lbs in 4 weeks i plenty IMHO. No need to adjust doasges upwards i'd say.
Moreover i don't think your body could support an even greater increase in LBM in such a short period of time..

Actually short / lower dose cylces is what RG advised to do..

[marcus300]

marcus, thanks for starting this thread as the feed back is great,
i have some questions also,.. you said high dose of aas+ gh would provide this kinda of growth, but is the gh necessary? could great gains be made wit out it?

also, when you do these short blast, i would presume it would mostly be fast acting aas? would doing these type of cycles allow for one to cycle more often in a year or would more time off be required for recovery?

also, even though dosages are independent of personal experiance could you possibly post and example of how or what you run?

from your experiance, would this be better suited for cutting bulking or both?
thanks in advance for the replys

alot of the answers you require are in this thread,

you dont have to use fast acting test, long esters can be used with the same effect, because of the amount use each day the build up is quick,

it works alot better with growth the quality is outstanding, but yes BB's have used it without and still got good results from it

soryy am not posting dosages because alot of beginners may try it out and do something stupid, the dose is alot more than you would normaly use, but remember it only for 30 days,

cutting or bulking thats a hard one, i do prefer to cut up with a cycle after ive done a short burst one, its normaly very mild just to stop me going catabolic, overall these cycles are better to bulk with but the end result is you big and ripped

[AleX-69]

@primetime

I suggest reading up on the article i quoted from realgains. I think pretty much all of your questions are covered there.

Actually marcus' short cycles are more geared to the competitive BB whereas RG is focusing on the newbie or intermediate AAS user..But its the same theory.

[primetime1]

thanks for the feed back bros.
marcus, i was writing that post as yous were postin up so i didnt see that you wouldnt give an example.. its cool because i understand some might try to do what you post..

alex i read up on RG's theories and i certainly am goin to give this a try when im ready for my next cyc. im no pro bb but def a gym rat intermediate user so thats def geared more towards my personal goals.

i appreciate all the feed back in this thread.
ive also read in "builing the perfect beast" the auther.(Rea.??). i forget the name, also suggest shorter cycles with heavier dosages? does anyone else have experiances with short blast cycles as id like to hear more personal views, heaveier or lighter dosages and results.

[novicenovicen]

What about those wanting to do eq? Since it seems to be the conscensus that you have to do EQ for 14 weeks. Would you mind giving me a sample that would incorporate eq?

[Xtralarg]

What about those wanting to do eq? Since it seems to be the conscensus that you have to do EQ for 14 weeks. Would you mind giving me a sample that would incorporate eq?

Dosages are not really to be discussed in this thread,newbies my get the wrong idea.Shory HEAVY cycling is for the experienced BB.
Infomation on dosages should be kept to PM.

[novicenovicen]

I understand that. My question is concerning EQ. 1: can it be used on this short super cycle....(because supposedly you need to run it for 14 weeks to see true effects)
2: if it can't be run like this, what would be a sample program that it could be run?

[Pinnacle]

I understand that. My question is concerning EQ. 1: can it be used on this short super cycle....(because supposedly you need to run it for 14 weeks to see true effects)
2: if it can't be run like this, what would be a sample program that it could be run?

It can be ran on short cycles like what is being discussed in this thread,BUT the doses have to be extremely high.

No one is going to help you with doses..stop fishing..and judging by the questions you've been asking lately,this is wayyyy out of your league.

[novicenovicen]

Thanks for the input pinn. If I came across as fishing, that wasn't my intention my intention is to learn. I was curious. I have enough EQ sitting here to go a year straight on 600 mg a week. I was wanting to do a 14 week cycle with just test and drol to kick start. I by no means am ready to do these super cycles, and as I already posted am not wanting the dosages, as it is to early for me. I continue to make gains on low dosages and haven't plateued yet. Just was curious about a sample EQ run ( such as 14 weeks 600 mg or 18 weeks 400 mg or 10 weeks 100mg). Just wanting advice from some of the few people on here who probably know.

[novicenovicen]

Thanks for the input pinn. If I came across as fishing, that wasn't my intention my intention is to learn. I was curious. I have enough EQ sitting here to go a year straight on 600 mg a week. I was wanting to do a 14 week cycle with just test and drol to kick start. I by no means am ready to do these super cycles, and as I already posted am not wanting the dosages, as it is to early for me. I continue to make gains on low dosages and haven't plateued yet. Just was curious about a sample EQ run ( such as 14 weeks 600 mg or 18 weeks 400 mg or 10 weeks 100mg). Just wanting advice from some of the few people on here who probably know.