I have a REAL problem.. (help quickly!)

[vein-x]

Here's the situation: I'm currently in school for health and personal training. I hope to own a gym someday and live the 'gym rat' lifestyle. I love the eating, lifting and juicing part of bodybuilding. All was going well with this cycle, I'm loving it, gains and sizes are increasing until it happens...

I just got out of class today and I get a call from my mom. She feels that if I'm going into health I should be a healthy person so she wants me to get physicals once a year at least. I haven't gotten one between freshman and junior year and now she wants me to get one. Here's how our conversation went...

'I'm just calling to let you know I just scheduled an appointment with your doctor for a full examination and physical on March 17th. I know you want to go into lifting and health, so I want to make sure you know what you've been doing all these years and make sure you're healthy. I'd also like to see how your insides have been adapting to your growing outside. I want to see if your kidney and liver are doing alright, because Lord knows how much creatine and protein supplements you've been taking, and I just want to make sure your bloodwork is OK. I hear that a lot of those people in the bodybuilding community take steroids and I want to make sure that you don't make an unhealthy body even MORE unhealthy if you choose to go down that path. I really hope your not taking them now and have already made a poor decision. You know your dad and I love and miss you very much. I'll talk to you later, bye.'

I think most of you have picked up on the problem by now.. blood tests. I'm honestly losing my mind right now. It's taking everything I've got right now to keep it together and type this so you can read it. I hope most of it has been comprehensible so far.

Anyway, what the hell do I do?? I'm on THIS (click the link) cycle and on the 11th week. As you can see I planned to take two weeks of Prop and bridge to PCT and everything would go smoothly.. but now what the F*CK do I do?? I have ONE month to lower my blood levels and clear my system and I'm willing to do anything. What do I do?? I was thinking skip my Test E and EQ shot tonight and go cold turkey until Monday, then a Prop shot.. shit, I really don't know! I'd pop Clomid/Nolva right now if you think that'd drop my Test levels and get me back to 'passable' or normal levels. Anybody, please help me..

[novicenovicen]

get sick. and don't go to the appointment.
Or just miss the appointment all together, and stop crying, and freaking out over nothing. The only way i see this as even slightly being bad is if your mom said, oh and BTW if you are on steroids we are cancelling your tuition check.

[vein-x]

get sick. and don't go to the appointment.
Or just miss the appointment all together, and stop crying, and freaking out over nothing. The only way i see this as even slightly being bad is if your mom said, oh and BTW if you are on steroids we are cancelling your tuition check.

OK, well there's the hardass' way out..

But look at it like this: I only have ONE more week of this cycle anyway. So f*ck, one way or the other I'd be done with PCT in March, be it the last week or the 2nd to last week. I'd MUCH rather have 'too high estrogen' levels than T levels WAAY off the chart. I can see where you're coming from but if I skip/miss the apointment and my mom is already suspicious (I can hear it in her voice that she was) then she'll probably come to my dorm with a doctor and a steroid test and make it uglier than if I just come off cycle and run PCT like I would a week from now anyway.

Keep the ideas coming.

[macktownmac]

Even if you do test positive for juice, the doctor cant tell your mom, its against the law, isnt there doctor patient confidentiality???

[novicenovicen]

Explain to me, what the problem is. Is it you just don't want to dissapoint your parents? or is it they will pull your tuition?
Secondly it is illeagle to tell your parents anything. If they do you can sue and make so much money you will put yourself through college.
My wife is a nurse in the hospital. And the privacy act stuff has gotten so hard, that a doctor can have his liscencse revoked, and be sued for breach. Not only is he liable but whatever hospital, or insurance he has is liable.

[HUNTER1]

Yeah its called HIPAA. I'm a nurse myself and trust me, the MD or nurses do not want to violate that. That would be major trouble for them. If you request that they don't tell your mom, they can't; legally.

[macktownmac]

seems like the problem is solved to me, i'de just keep on with my cycle take the tests, make sure they dont mail results anywhere, maybe even consult the doctor right before taking the test to verify how they will communicate the results, and even explicitly say you want to keep it private

[RA]

This actually is kind of funny. Go to the appointment and whatever he tells you just tell your mother everything is fine. Case closed.

[edmen2]

Explain to me, what the problem is. Is it you just don't want to dissapoint your parents? or is it they will pull your tuition?
Secondly it is illeagle to tell your parents anything. If they do you can sue and make so much money you will put yourself through college.
My wife is a nurse in the hospital. And the privacy act stuff has gotten so hard, that a doctor can have his liscencse revoked, and be sued for breach. Not only is he liable but whatever hospital, or insurance he has is liable.

i second this when i was going thru nursing school we could get in big trouble for looking thru patient charts that we werent taking care of. not only can the doc be held liable but the whole hospital can be sued. and under no circumstances were we allowed to give any info over the phone or to someone that didnt hold power of attorney over the patient.

[vein-x]

Explain to me, what the problem is. Is it you just don't want to dissapoint your parents? or is it they will pull your tuition?
Secondly it is illeagle to tell your parents anything. If they do you can sue and make so much money you will put yourself through college.
My wife is a nurse in the hospital. And the privacy act stuff has gotten so hard, that a doctor can have his liscencse revoked, and be sued for breach. Not only is he liable but whatever hospital, or insurance he has is liable.

Jesus christ, you make it sound like I live at home and she'll hold my hand through the whole thing. It doesn't matter what the doctor CAN or CANNOT say, what matters is: SHE WANTS THE FORMS. She could move to Europe in the next week and she would still want a copy of the form.

That's all beside the point though, I want to come off the cycle NOW and have myself 100% clean for more than just the test... my cycle's almost over anyway and I can save the prop for next cycle, which I planned to run it in too. I'm not asking for a dozen ways to sneak past my parents, I NEED TO COME OFF.

I realize I may seem panicky but when I'm soo close to graduation and moving into my own apartment where I pay and don't have to put up with roommates asking questions like 'what's taking so long in the bathroom' (when I'm shooting) and pounding on the door. To be honest, there's another reason I'd like to 'end' this cycle.. I'm scared SH*TLESS of PCT and how my emotions will react and I want to confront it and quit delaying and this is the perfect reason/time to do it. Not in the spring with flowers and all sortsa sh*t that'll swing my mood to 'emotional girl' on a dime, but now while I still have a chance at making it through PCT with my own mentality and not a 12-year old girl's.

[HUNTER1]

holla at the nurses

[novicenovicen]

Also even if you do PCT I bet by march you still look all F'ed up. and say he's a local family doc and is gonna tell your mom, I'd rather have high test ( tribulus, and some doubled up pro hormones that you bought before the ban...I can mail you 4 empty bottles if you need them), then freaked out estrogen levels, and thyroid levels. Then you'r mom will worry.

[LowStrea]

Yeah its called HIPAA. I'm a nurse myself and trust me, the MD or nurses do not want to violate that. That would be major trouble for them. If you request that they don't tell your mom, they can't; legally.

Yea tell your mother to sit outside and wait because you don't want to talk about "things" around her she should respect that and sit and wait for you. your Dr will not tell her anything. if he does sue his/her ass

[vein-x]

Also even if you do PCT I bet by march you still look all F'ed up. and say he's a local family doc and is gonna tell your mom, I'd rather have high test ( tribulus, and some doubled up pro hormones that you bought before the ban...I can mail you 4 empty bottles if you need them), then freaked out estrogen levels, and thyroid levels. Then you'r mom will worry.

You know, that's originally what I was thinking about doing. But since I'm on 600mg of both Test E & EQ, I think it'd be hard to justify 600mg of Testosterone in the bloodstream when normal is about 1/6th of that.

Still, if I buy a bottle or two of AXIS-HT or some other 'test booster' and claim that's what I'm on and that's why my levels are so high.. do you think that would fly? Edmen, you seem like you have a little experience with this sort of thing, what do you think?

[Phreak101]

Jesus christ, you make it sound like I live at home and she'll hold my hand through the whole thing. It doesn't matter what the doctor CAN or CANNOT say, what matters is: SHE WANTS THE FORMS. She could move to Europe in the next week and she would still want a copy of the form.

That's all beside the point though, I want to come off the cycle NOW and have myself 100% clean for more than just the test... my cycle's almost over anyway and I can save the prop for next cycle, which I planned to run it in too. I'm not asking for a dozen ways to sneak past my parents, I NEED TO COME OFF.

I realize I may seem panicky but when I'm soo close to graduation and moving into my own apartment where I pay and don't have to put up with roommates asking questions like 'what's taking so long in the bathroom' (when I'm shooting) and pounding on the door. To be honest, there's another reason I'd like to 'end' this cycle.. I'm scared SH*TLESS of PCT and how my emotions will react and I want to confront it and quit delaying and this is the perfect reason/time to do it. Not in the spring with flowers and all sortsa sh*t that'll swing my mood to 'emotional girl' on a dime, but now while I still have a chance at making it through PCT with my own mentality and not a 12-year old girl's.

Have you missed the 30,000 ads on this website for "Steroid Cleanse"? Supposedly get's them out of your system in 5 days.

Otherwise, your parents sound like they love you very much, and if they are doing this without your approval, they are doing it because they suspect you're on already. BTW how old are you? Anyone still under the umbrella of their parents demands' are not old enough to be taking juice!

[vein-x]

You know, I'm doing a little reading into the 'blood test' she said I may have and this is what I dug up..

http://www.amarillomed.com/howto.htm#Overview

..which doesn't show Testosterone anywhere. It could just be my mind hoping for something, but I remember reading somewhere you have to ask for a specialized test to determine how much 'free testosterone' you have in your body. But on that same token, if she was as suspicious as she sounded over the phone she may have already set that up too..

[vein-x]

Have you missed the 30,000 ads on this website for "Steroid Cleanse"? Supposedly get's them out of your system in 5 days.

Otherwise, your parents sound like they love you very much, and if they are doing this without your approval, they are doing it because they suspect you're on already. BTW how old are you? Anyone still under the umbrella of their parents demands' are not old enough to be taking juice!

I'm 26 so I'm doing just fine. And I'll take any money I can get thank you very much. If I offered to pay your food and monthly car and house payments for the next few years would you say no?

[HUNTER1]

Have you missed the 30,000 ads on this website for "Steroid Cleanse"? Supposedly get's them out of your system in 5 days.

Otherwise, your parents sound like they love you very much, and if they are doing this without your approval, they are doing it because they suspect you're on already. BTW how old are you? Anyone still under the umbrella of their parents demands' are not old enough to be taking juice!

Phreak is right, if you have to worry about your mom not finding out, you are too young.

[edmen2]

if ur mother wants the forms from the doc all u have to do is edit the forms. lab values are sent to the hospital via fax machine on black and white paper all u have to do is doctor the form xerox a copy and present ur mother with lab values all within normal range.

[vein-x]

if ur mother wants the forms from the doc all u have to do is edit the forms. lab values are sent to the hospital via fax machine on black and white paper all u have to do is doctor the form xerox a copy and present ur mother with lab values all within normal range.

Haha, that might just work bro. I'll take that one into serious consideration.

As a final question, would claiming I'm on Test boosters explain almost 600mg of Testosterone in my system?

(BTW... once again, damn good suggestion!)

[edmen2]

also be sure that the receptionist has ur phone # and address on file so they can call u or mail u ur own lab values. when lab values are obtained its not a doctor that draws them its a phlebotomist its not avery high tech procedure. unless its the nfl or ncaa it is something very easy to dance around.

[Clincher]

Vein-X I feel yoru pain man. Listen do your best to get some "Navy Seals" or some other cleaner in your system. If your extremly serious about this I would stop all cycles or start your down cycle to finish them off in a proper and healthy manor. After that do what you can to clean your system. Nothing says this guy(Dr.) is going to test you for roids and even if he does I would jsut refuse the test. I mean no offense but drug tests aren't that cheap. You could always act extremly offended that your parents think you would do somethign like that or just get all the forms they want and exclude the one that says roids on it.

I have unfotunatly been in your position and I used the whole you should trust me and respect me thing and my parents dropped it. If your at school and living on yoru own maybe your parents should start letting go instead of holding your hand even while not living with them. I don;t know man just start living as natural and as healthy as you can over the next 30 days. If I were you I would come up with a reason to postpone the test for another 20 days or so ya know. This will give you time to clean up or cover up.

One thing to remember. Doctors don't test for consealers so if you used something to cover up test it wouldn't show up liek it would for the olympics and pro sports. Good Luck Brother

[edmen2]

Haha, that might just work bro. I'll take that one into serious consideration.

As a final question, would claiming I'm on Test boosters explain almost 600mg of Testosterone in my system?

(BTW... once again, damn good suggestion!)

docs do not study test boosters so im sure they cant explain how high ur levels will rise.

[vein-x]

also be sure that the receptionist has ur phone # and address on file so they can call u or mail u ur own lab values. when lab values are obtained its not a doctor that draws them its a phlebotomist its not avery high tech procedure. unless its the nfl or ncaa it is something very easy to dance around.

Well sh*t, not only that but I just read a good article on blood tests and you have to actually ASK to have your testosterone checked out. It's not like that's a normal procedure that's on every test, plus you pay for it, so it's definetly an additional fee that's not on a normal test.

The one thing that I have trouble getting over now is.. will the 600mg of Test E/EQ have f*cked my liver and kidneys so hard there will be some high levels of caution raised? I'd think absolutely not because injections don't hit the liver nearly as hard as say Drol, but that's still something I have to ask.

Thanks to everyone who's helped me here. I'm going to gamble and say she didn't ask for a Testosterone level check up, and if she did I'm going to bank on double doses of Axis-HT and T-Bomb II and say 'I must've upped the doses a little too high..'

And by the way Hunter.. at the age of 45 you should still always respect and listen to what your parents have to say. I'm not 14 and I'm not 50, but I can guarentee you I'll always love my parents until the day I die and respect them in everything they choose to do.

[novicenovicen]

You got any old androstendione or norandro bottles? Any of the recently illegal to sellbut not to own, pro hormones? or know anyone who does?

[Juddman]

i would say if you really want to test clean, stop your cycle right now...start your pct is two weeks...and hope for the best. your liver values will be elevated, your cholesterol will be out of whack, and your test will probably be in a reasonable range in a months time.
keep in mind what kind of tests the doctor is going to be giving you. i'm going for a physical next week, and the doctor is taking simple blood work..not a "steroid test". yes, increased levels of test will show up, but its not going to find any other compounds in my system unless he is specifically looking for them. all of the other liver, cholesterol, etc values will appear strange, but all of this could be blamed on taking andro or some kind of test booster.

[vein-x]

You got any old androstendione or norandro bottles? Any of the recently illegal to sellbut not to own, pro hormones? or know anyone who does?

No I don't but here's what I was thinking. Find an old bottle label of some M-1T or 1-AD and print/cut it out and take it with me. If there are any problems or questions I'll tell her...

'I ran these together at nearly TRIPLE the doses and felt amazing. I felt that 'high testosterone' feeling. I ran it for what they call one 'cycle' which ended about 2 weeks ago and unfortunately, I threw the bottles out. You can take a look at them and what was in them though. Here are the labels I printed off. You can't get them anyway (I guess they were too powerful!) so I couldn't buy any to bring in to you.'

DAMN I'm good...

[vein-x]

i would say if you really want to test clean, stop your cycle right now...start your pct is two weeks...and hope for the best. your liver values will be elevated, your cholesterol will be out of whack, and your test will probably be in a reasonable range in a months time.
keep in mind what kind of tests the doctor is going to be giving you. i'm going for a physical next week, and the doctor is taking simple blood work..not a "steroid test". yes, increased levels of test will show up, but its not going to find any other compounds in my system unless he is specifically looking for them. all of the other liver, cholesterol, etc values will appear strange, but all of this could be blamed on taking andro or some kind of test booster.

Damn near the SAME boat I'm in.. and you're taking the same route out too. I think what I'm going to do is just run this cycle like I had planned. Shoot tonight and finish up next week.

After next week it'll be 150mg/EOD of Test Prop (sloowly dropping blood-test levels) and by the time of the test they'll be elevated, but not sick (I'm hoping to drop 100mg??)

...OR...

..I'll skip all injections for the remainder of this week and next week, and then come 1st of March run one week of Test Prop @ 150mg/EOD and then on to Clomid and Nolva. This way I'll be on PCT longer and off Test longer too.

Of the above two situation, which would you recommend?

[novicenovicen]

I wouldn't do plan #2, your levels wouldn't be very stable and might open you up to some sides.

[Phreak101]

I'm 26 so I'm doing just fine. And I'll take any money I can get thank you very much. If I offered to pay your food and monthly car and house payments for the next few years would you say no?

If I didn't want you interfering with my lifestyle by holding $$ over my head, then yes I would say no, I would jack and get huge without worry of you chastizing my decisions. I'm a grown man who makes more money than my father, and I see you're the same age as I am.

Not trying to be a dick, but if you're going to have your parents "help you out", be prepared to bow to their demands, as you are costing them money.

[vein-x]

I wouldn't do plan #2, your levels wouldn't be very stable and might open you up to some sides.

Truthfully, up to this point in my cycle the only 'side' I've had is stretch marks from soo much mass being put on. No gyno in sight, no acne at all.. well hang on, there is another side: oily skin. But that's not hard to take care of.. it's called Kleenex

Thanks again guys, all I need now are recommendations to do either option #1 or #2 in my above post.

[novicenovicen]

jayhova usually throws it out there straight up, JAy what are you thinking.

[Juddman]

well..i dont see the point of the week in the start of March of prop. why not just cut everything out today, start the prop right away for 2 weeks, then start your pct in 2 weeks and 3 days...that way you will have almost 2 weeks for your system to clear out before the test.

After next week it'll be 150mg/EOD of Test Prop (sloowly dropping blood-test levels) and by the time of the test they'll be elevated, but not sick (I'm hoping to drop 100mg??)

...OR...

..I'll skip all injections for the remainder of this week and next week, and then come 1st of March run one week of Test Prop @ 150mg/EOD and then on to Clomid and Nolva. This way I'll be on PCT longer and off Test longer too.

Of the above two situation, which would you recommend?

[vein-x]

well..i dont see the point of the week in the start of March of prop. why not just cut everything out today, start the prop right away for 2 weeks, then start your pct in 2 weeks and 3 days...that way you will have almost 2 weeks for your system to clear out before the test.

Also not a bad suggestion at all. That way I could save my Prop for next cycle. I think what I'll end up doing tonight is skipping the injection and waiting for a couple more Mod/Vet opinions. Even if they recommend carrying it out just like it was intended, I can always shoot tomorrow. My body won't know 12 hours difference.

I'll wait until later tonight before bumping this to the top. A lot of mods & vets are probably at work or the gym right now and that leaves a lotta kids and parrots with some pathetic suggestions and flames. There are a few very good members with ideas here, don't get me wrong (Judd, Edmen, Novice) But I'll wait until later tonight when the monsters can give me a solid opinion. Thanks again for everything so far.

[novicenovicen]

Good luck to you. I hope all goes smoothly. Just for your information I workout from 8am - 1pm. Thats why I am on. I am also a retired army seargent who got blown up over seas. So I have nothing but time, for improving my now crippled body. I have added 70 lbs to my Miltary press, and 50 to my bench in the last 3 weeks. Good luck to you.

[Juddman]

props to you novivenovecen...

good luck with the situation vein-x

Good luck to you. I hope all goes smoothly. Just for your information I workout from 8am - 1pm. Thats why I am on. I am also a retired army seargent who got blown up over seas. So I have nothing but time, for improving my now crippled body. I have added 70 lbs to my Miltary press, and 50 to my bench in the last 3 weeks. Good luck to you.

[vein-x]

Thanks a lot guys.

But now that it's Saturday and nearing noon, I think a lot more vets and mods will be on. Any ideas guys? Just to fill you in I skipped my EQ/ENAN shot planned for Thursday and am awaiting some more opinions. If you tell me to shoot right now, I'll head to the bathroom ASAP. If you tell me to skip it, wait until Monday and start Prop to cycle down, I'll do that. Let me get just a couple more opinions before I make my decision.

[MAXIMA5]

OK, well there's the hardass' way out..

But look at it like this: I only have ONE more week of this cycle anyway. So f*ck, one way or the other I'd be done with PCT in March, be it the last week or the 2nd to last week. I'd MUCH rather have 'too high estrogen' levels than T levels WAAY off the chart. I can see where you're coming from but if I skip/miss the apointment and my mom is already suspicious (I can hear it in her voice that she was) then she'll probably come to my dorm with a doctor and a steroid test and make it uglier than if I just come off cycle and run PCT like I would a week from now anyway.

Keep the ideas coming.

Look at the bright side, at least you get your levels checked, and an actual physician can help you with PCT, etc... If you tell him everything, he can't and won't tell your mom. Before I ever touched the juice, because of my athletic frame, my doctor always asks me if I'm on anything before he checks anything. Doctors are professionals and they are not naive.

[vein-x]

Look at the bright side, at least you get your levels checked, and an actual physician can help you with PCT, etc... If you tell him everything, he can't and won't tell your mom. Before I ever touched the juice, because of my athletic frame, my doctor always asks me if I'm on anything before he checks anything. Doctors are professionals and they are not naive.

Well, because people don't tend to read earlier posts and just read the bumped ones, I'll fill you in really quick. My parents won't be anywhere near me. They'll be HOURS away, which isn't the problem. The problem is that no matter what, I have to send them the forms from the doc's office and there's no getting around that. Read my 1st post for more info, but it basically boils down to..

Run the cycle as planned or cut it short and bridge with Prop into PCT and then hope all goes well at the check-up.

[smmrsm2000]

wow this EXACT thing happened to me when i was in college. i had to get a full physical for an internship my parents lined up for me. back then, they weren't real strict about privacy like they are today, so i just missed the appointment and rescheduled on a date when i knew i would be clean. it's too bad your mom is already suspicious, vein-x, or that might have worked for u....