can i get a critiqu on my cycle?

**brutesinme** · 02-20-2006, 10:27 PM

Wow, I'm a new member and i'd like to say i'm a little overwhelmed by the wealth of info on this site.
Anyways, here goes:

week 1-10 equipose 300/week
week 2-11 proviron 50 mg/day
week 5-11 winny 50mg/eod

week 12-15 clomid

I'm also considering switching deca with the eq, depending on which i can obtain,
i'm 25 6foot 250 at about 20%bf and would like to add some muscle 'fore i cut up

**Prada** · 02-20-2006, 10:33 PM

Where's the test?

**IBdmfkr** · 02-20-2006, 10:42 PM

Not a good cycle IMO. I'd go with correcting your diet first. Learn how to manipulate your body into burning fat and building/holding muscle. You'll look much better at 225 12% anyhow.

**brutesinme** · 02-20-2006, 10:43 PM

I wanted to avoid the test for the first cycle. My reasoning is, once something is in, you can't get it out, so i'd like to try one with weaker gear before i go full bore

**IBdmfkr** · 02-20-2006, 10:45 PM

Again, what I said. This cycle is not well planned and will prove little to no "mass" gains. Get your diet in order and do some cardio.

**QuieTSToRM33** · 02-20-2006, 10:53 PM

Originally Posted by brutesinme

My reasoning is, once something is in, you can't get it out, so i'd like to try one with weaker gear before i go full bore

huh ????

**brutesinme** · 02-20-2006, 11:00 PM

What i'm saying is i would like to find out how my body reacts to aas, as the consensus seems to be everyone reacts differently.

**rockdog** · 02-20-2006, 11:09 PM

Most guys aren't gonna here about the diet and cardio first, I know I didn't. I found out that you have to work your ass off twice as hard to balance the need to eat, lose fat and keep the muscle. Don't expect the aas to knock the fat off it's still a battle and if your not carefull you'll end up fatter than ever. You should do some reading on heavy short cycles, this way you can get a feel for it before things get to out of control and in your reading you might find that most guys make there biggest gains in 4-6 weeks, 4-6 on 4-6 off a better safer way to go and I believe over a year you will make better over all gains with much lee sides. Just my two cents anyway good luck.

**brutesinme** · 02-20-2006, 11:13 PM

Thanks rock. What's an example of a heavy short cycle?

**Tren Bull** · 02-20-2006, 11:23 PM

Originally Posted by brutesinme

Wow, I'm a new member and i'd like to say i'm a little overwhelmed by the wealth of info on this site.
Anyways, here goes:

week 1-10 equipose 300/week
week 2-11 proviron 50 mg/day
week 5-11 winny 50mg/eod

week 12-15 clomid

I'm also considering switching deca with the eq, depending on which i can obtain,
i'm 25 6foot 250 at about 20%bf and would like to add some muscle 'fore i cut up

id say add some test enanthate , and up the equi dose. is this your first cycle?

**Pinnacle** · 02-20-2006, 11:24 PM

Originally Posted by brutesinme

Thanks rock. What's an example of a heavy short cycle?

They are NOT for you.That type of cycling is for very experienced BBers,not for a beginner or novice.

Quite honestly,it's pathetic he even told you about such cycles.

~Pinnacle~

**Tren Bull** · 02-20-2006, 11:25 PM

Originally Posted by brutesinme

I wanted to avoid the test for the first cycle. My reasoning is, once something is in, you can't get it out, so i'd like to try one with weaker gear before i go full bore

test is imperative bro. if you dont run it then your gonna go limp dick from the nandrolone base gear, plus it will be harder to maintain your gains.

**brutesinme** · 02-20-2006, 11:25 PM

Yeah, this will be my first cycle. And i read up on the heavy short cycles, and don't worry, i am not even thinking about going there.

**IBdmfkr** · 02-20-2006, 11:26 PM

lol, try 3grams/wk of Test with another 5grams/wk of Eq. That should be sufficient.

List a normal days diet, lets start there.(figure out how you hit 20% BF).

**brutesinme** · 02-20-2006, 11:27 PM

People seem to pretty much in agreement about the inclusion of test, how does it help maintain gains?

**Wildcatbadass** · 02-20-2006, 11:29 PM

Originally Posted by brutesinme

I wanted to avoid the test for the first cycle. My reasoning is, once something is in, you can't get it out, so i'd like to try one with weaker gear before i go full bore

this concept blows me away. Bro test is good for you haha. i mean its naturally produced! Ur body doesnt produce "Winnie". If you seriously want to consider taking a cycle please do it smart and with some research.
by the way 20% is up there in the bf. might want to try to lower it before u get on a cycle. This way you wont gain as much fat if ur diet isnt spotless(i should rephrase that by saying you wont look as fat during ur cycle and u will be able to see gains and what each chemical does to your body)
-Wild

**brutesinme** · 02-20-2006, 11:30 PM

3/4 cup steel cut oats
1 cup whey
tbsp flax oil

1.5cups 1% cott cheese
3/4 cup steel cut oats

pre workout
scoop whey
creatine

post workout
scoop whey
i cup mixed berries
1/2 cup oats

spinach salad w flax dressin
steak/chicken/fish

salad w dressing
steak/chicken/fish

whey

**Tren Bull** · 02-20-2006, 11:33 PM

Originally Posted by IBdmfkr

lol, try 3grams/wk of Test with another 5grams/wk of Eq. That should be sufficient.

List a normal days diet, lets start there.(figure out how you hit 20% BF).

hmmm, i dont know about that bro

**Tren Bull** · 02-20-2006, 11:34 PM

il tell you this though, i wouldn't mind running that much gear. but thats only cause i dont care about my life

**IBdmfkr** · 02-20-2006, 11:37 PM

So two actual meals in there. You need to get atleast 70% of your calories from real foods IMO. It is difficult but very doable. All I see is mostly supplements.

At most I see less than 100grams of protein from foods.
No carbs to speak of other than the little bit of oats. Takes carbs to metabolize fat.

Try eating more of a balanced diet and shoot for 3500 calories/day and work your way down until you find your sweet spot (you'll burn fat but maintain musclemass/strength).

Best advice is check out the diet forum and Start reading.

**Tren Bull** · 02-20-2006, 11:37 PM

Originally Posted by brutesinme

People seem to pretty much in agreement about the inclusion of test, how does it help maintain gains?

running test helps maintain gains cause when you run the clomid, the test your body produces will actually be used by your body. if you were to run a nandrolone base roid only, it would take awhile before your body started using regular test again, regardless of the fact that the clomid had got your test levels back to normal. btw, im strongly of the opinion that running clenbuterol during pct is the best way to maintain your gains

**IBdmfkr** · 02-20-2006, 11:37 PM

Originally Posted by Tren Bull

hmmm, i dont know about that bro

haha, Sure hope he didn't take that serious. Although I'd like to see the results, but not be the user.

**brutesinme** · 02-20-2006, 11:41 PM

Thanks for all the info, though that calorie goal seems a little high to me, i'll re-think my approach at this point. Funny though, you call that alittle bit of oats, and i have difficulty eating them all.

**IBdmfkr** · 02-20-2006, 11:59 PM

Originally Posted by brutesinme

Meal 1 approx. 250 calories
3/4 cup steel cut oats
1 cup whey
tbsp flax oil
Maybe throw some cardio in during the morning to help burn fat.

Meal two approx. 300 calories
1.5cups 1% cott cheese
3/4 cup steel cut oats

PW meal 100-150 calories
pre workout need complex carbs here.
scoop whey
creatine

PWO Meal approx. 300 calories.
post workout I'd eliminate oats and stay around 50-100carbs PWO.
scoop whey one whole scoop? Shoot for 30-60g's protein.
i cup mixed berries
1/2 cup oats

PPW Meal approx. 300 calories.
spinach salad w flax dressin
steak/chicken/fish

Last Meal approx. 300 calories.
salad w dressing No carbs?
steak/chicken/fish

whey I'd add some Flax here before bed to slow the absorbtion of protein to reduce catabolism during the night.

Keep in mind you weigh 250lbs. You will need a lot of calories to hold your muscle mass, reason I say start so high is to prevent losing muscle. Much better to start a bit high and work your way down then to start low and lose muscle, kinda defeats the purpose of a diet concentrated on hold LBM while losing fat.

Lets break down the posted diet. IN BOLD

I'd be extremely supprised if you hit 2000 calories/day, No wonder you can't lose fat and probably continue to lose strength and LBM (causing your metabolism to slow even more).

Go check out the diet forum. I'd repost your diet there for more critiques. I'm no dietician so maybe you'll get other responses.
Best of luck.

**Wildcatbadass** · 02-21-2006, 12:01 AM

BOLD I"VE ADDED THINGS

Originally Posted by brutesinme

cardio before breakfast will speed up daily calorie consumption. Thus will lower bf
BREAKFAST
3/4 cup steel cut oats
1 cup whey
tbsp flax oil
CAN DO BAGEL WITH ALOT OF Peanut butter. provides 40g carbs and 20-30g protein (depends on how much u add on it of course)

SNACK
1.5cups 1% cott cheese
3/4 cup steel cut oats

Lunch
6-8oz chicken breast 40-50g protein, creatine, 50g of rice(depends on ur set daily allowance of carbs. just keep it equal to the rest of the days carbs)

pre workout
scoop whey
creatine
WORKOUT
post workout
scoop whey

spinach salad w/ flax dressin
steak/chicken/fish I hope the chicken/fish isnt breaded or fastfood

salad w dressing
steak/chicken/fish I hope the chicken/fish isnt breaded or fastfood

BEDTIME
whey Throwing casein protein is better choice for ya at bed time because of its slow absorption rate. Stomach will have something to nibble on longer into the nite

**IBdmfkr** · 02-21-2006, 12:03 AM

Same concept

lol, I type faster.

**Wildcatbadass** · 02-21-2006, 12:37 AM

haha u lil fer! haha we think alike. i didnt think about his weigh so yah he def. could eat the 50g of rice. also prolly wanna add more protein in the snacks if he weighs 250

edit bold
i say this b/c u know those whey shakes u dont get all the protein that you take in and its absorbed relatively fast so not all is used. a lil excess protein in this case wont result in anything bad.