steroids for the martal artist?

**Pete789** · 02-22-2006, 08:40 AM

Hi i am new to steroids - looking for a steroid that will not bulk me up but give me strength. At the moment i am on 20mg of Stenozol (Azolol) a day- fantastic strength gains and another 4kg too. Not much bulk tho (good). Should i be taking BG12 or B6 too? I am NOW 81kg and 41 yr old male. Only my coach has noticed my weight gain. Can any one help?

**energizer bunny** · 02-22-2006, 09:39 AM

welcome, i dont no much about steriods so i cant help you there. But do a search and am sure you will find what your looking for.

**knockout23** · 02-22-2006, 03:40 PM

either a test/var , test/winny, or test/tren cycle would be the best

**novicenovicen** · 02-22-2006, 03:45 PM

low dose test. I would suggest 25-50mg a day test prop.

**Hellmaskbanned** · 02-22-2006, 03:46 PM

Originally Posted by knockout23

either a test/var , test/winny, or test/tren cycle would be the best

I think those will bulk him up!

If your just looking for some strength and not worried about bodybuilding or gaining much size try looking into an anavar only cycle. Hardly any size gains, good strength gains, and may even shed some bf while maintaining weight if your diet and training are good. Very low side effects as well.

**stocky121** · 02-22-2006, 03:49 PM

Originally Posted by Hellmask

I think those will bulk him up!

If your just looking for some strength and not worried about bodybuilding or gaining much size try looking into an anavar only cycle. Hardly any size gains, good strength gains, and may even shed some bf while maintaining weight if your diet and training are good. Very low side effects as well.

i also think var or HGH would be the best answer

test not really. tren come on man that's no good for MMA

**Booz** · 02-22-2006, 04:02 PM

do not care wat he does,if this is a 1st time user he should use test,if he dont want the bloat he should use nolva or l-dex with the course!!
he has not even given his stats and age and people are givin him cycles already!!

**Hellmaskbanned** · 02-22-2006, 04:06 PM

Originally Posted by booz

do not care wat he does,if this is a 1st time user he should use test,if he dont want the bloat he should use nolva or l-dex with the course!!
he has not even given his stats and age and people are givin him cycles already!!

Why should he do test if it does not fit his goals?

**novicenovicen** · 02-22-2006, 04:06 PM

thats why I suggested prop. need that test.

**Booz** · 02-22-2006, 04:22 PM

Originally Posted by Hellmask

Why should he do test if it does not fit his goals?

why does it not fit his goals mate?if he uses somethin to keep the water off will this not suit his goals?he stated he wanted somethin that would give him strength and not bulk,apart from var which i would still use with test "personally",if he uses somethin to keep the water off this would suit would it not??
anyways like i stated abouve we should not be giving him cycles without thurver info about himself,or should we mate??

**taiboxa** · 02-22-2006, 04:28 PM

im w/ booze.. a "Martal" artist should start out w/ test E run some letro or L-Dex

var only is ok but kinda LAME...

anyways i DONT THINK HE IS REDY FOR AAS USAGE LOL

**novicenovicen** · 02-22-2006, 04:29 PM

right on booze. obviously no cycle history, though we should have asked for stats.

**novicenovicen** · 02-22-2006, 04:30 PM

Tai, wouldn't U say props a better choice?

**taiboxa** · 02-22-2006, 04:32 PM

Originally Posted by novicenovicen

Tai, wouldn't U say props a better choice?

i would if i wasnt so familiar w/ it..
prop = PAIN in spot injects... trust me i fought when i was on prop/win and prop eq

NOT GOOD 1 shoulder ject = NON FUNCTION ARM LOL

test E doesnt hurt NEAR as bad and bloat can be controlled easily w/ letro IMO

**Hellmaskbanned** · 02-22-2006, 04:32 PM

In some professions extra size either from muscle or bloat slows you down.
VAR=no size , just strength. Test or test/var= size + strength.
I like the idea of test and var, but from what he stated he didn't want size.

**taiboxa** · 02-22-2006, 04:33 PM

Originally Posted by Hellmask

In some professions extra size either from muscle or bloat slows you down.
VAR=no size , just strength. Test or test/var= size + strength.
I like the idea of test and var, but from what he stated he didn't want size.

i would run test w/ it.. the added aggression can be benficial and he wont "BULK" if his diet is spot on.

**novicenovicen** · 02-22-2006, 04:35 PM

I would say the prop hurts like shit!!!!!! but less sides easier to shed retained water. (besides he martial arts man, which means mind over matter. Now if he could just will himself more muscles.......).

**Booz** · 02-22-2006, 04:35 PM

but the main point im truin to get across is he could be an 18 year old 6'3 and 140 soakin wet,we should not be givin him advice on wat to take until he posts his stats!!

**stocky121** · 02-22-2006, 04:37 PM

Originally Posted by booz

but the main point im truin to get across is he could be an 18 year old 6'3 and 140 soakin wet,we should not be givin him advice on wat to take until he posts his stats!!

i totaly agree i ****ed up earlyer guess i'am sleeping on the settea again booz ?

**Hellmaskbanned** · 02-22-2006, 04:37 PM

Originally Posted by booz

but the main point im truin to get across is he could be an 18 year old 6'3 and 140 soakin wet,we should not be givin him advice on wat to take until he posts his stats!!

true dat.

**Booz** · 02-22-2006, 04:39 PM

Originally Posted by stocky121

i totaly agree i ****ed up earlyer guess i'am sleeping on the settea again booz ?

no you can stay at the bottom of the bed tonight!!

**novicenovicen** · 02-22-2006, 04:39 PM

I think me and tai just got off topic (well not off to bad just conversing between ourselves). I'm still in total agreement that we need his stats.

**stocky121** · 02-22-2006, 04:39 PM

Originally Posted by booz

no you can stay at the bottom of the bed tonight!!

**Iceman69** · 02-22-2006, 04:40 PM

What about Equipoise ?

**taiboxa** · 02-22-2006, 04:42 PM

Originally Posted by booz

but the main point im truin to get across is he could be an 18 year old 6'3 and 140 soakin wet,we should not be givin him advice on wat to take until he posts his stats!!

DOOD if he is that SMALL then AAS SHOULD BE MANDATORY FOR HIM!

j/k dont flame me

**groundandpoundpwr21** · 02-23-2006, 03:55 PM

test prop, bold prop, var if you dont get bad pumps from it, winny if your a lucky one that it doesnt kill your joints. Halo, but your not ready. Theres not much else for mma. You dont want anything thats going to put water on or give excessive pumps.

**stocky121** · 02-23-2006, 03:57 PM

Originally Posted by groundandpoundpwr21

test prop, bold prop, var if you dont get bad pumps from it, winny if your a lucky one that it doesnt kill your joints. Halo, but your not ready. Theres not much else for mma. You dont want anything thats going to put water on or give excessive pumps.

you used bold prop before mate ???