deca in a short or long cycle

[Extreme]

I am getting ready to start my next cycle. I have completed about 6 cycles. I have been doing alot of reading on short cycles. I was planning on running my typical 12 to 14 week cycle. In my experience with test and deca/eq cycles i get most of my gains in the first 6 weeks. I just don't know with deca being a long acting ester if a 6 week cycle would be good enough. Would I be better to stick with

1-13 deca 600mg
1-14 test cyp 800mg or 1000mg
12- 16 whinny 50mg ed

or

1-5 deca 700mg
1-6 test cyp 1000mg
whinny to bridge and then repeat cycle after a 6 week break

I like the theory of a short cycle just don't know if I will get all the benefits out of these long esters. I have always heard they don't kick in good until weeks 4-8. Like I said even with these esters I still get best gaines weeks 1-6. Maybe I sould try an 8 or 10 week cycle and split the difference. Any opinions.

[Pinnacle]

I'd go 8-10 weeks tops with deca/test...I also noticed after having many cycles under my belt gains slow down to a halt around the 8 week mark for me no matter what type drug I use.I'm sure quite a few other guys will chime in and say the same thing.

~Pinnacle~

[Extreme]

i agree pinnacle I have noticed the same thing the more cycles I have done. the last one I tried to solve it by length going 18 weeks and it did not work. I had planed to cut to 12 weeks but 8 or 10 might be even better. Dosage wise would you go above 600mg of deca or is that a good dosage. Same with test cyp should i stick to 800mg or maybe even 1000mg. I respond mildly to steroids in general and low dosages compared to others

[Pinnacle]

If you think you'll respond well with 600 mg Deca,and 800 mgs test,then stick with that.No need to bump the dose if it isn't necessary.

~Pinnacle~

[oswaldosalcedo]

short cycle nope.

[Extreme]

I have plenty of gear. Seems like I require higher dossage than others for some reason in my experience. I guess it is my bodies tolerances. I am the same way with prescription drugs don't know if that means anything. But I agree no need to if you don't have to. Plus higher dosages higher sides. Most reading I have done seems like no one likes to go over 600mg of deca.

[~fuelforfire~]

4 weeks of Winny isnt enough IMO, unless you react good to it.

[Extreme]

i have enough to go 5 or 6 just going with the short cycle theme

[oswaldosalcedo]

I have plenty of gear. Seems like I require higher dossage than others for some reason in my experience. I guess it is my bodies tolerances. I am the same way with prescription drugs don't know if that means anything. But I agree no need to if you don't have to. Plus higher dosages higher sides. Most reading I have done seems like no one likes to go over 600mg of deca.

i can go.

[Extreme]

think i could as well but don't want to if it is not needed. I just talking about the sides over 600mg

[Pinnacle]

I have plenty of gear. Seems like I require higher dossage than others for some reason in my experience. I guess it is my bodies tolerances. I am the same way with prescription drugs don't know if that means anything. But I agree no need to if you don't have to. Plus higher dosages higher sides. Most reading I have done seems like no one likes to go over 600mg of deca.

Some don't react nearly as well as others do.I know guys at the gym who never run more than 500 mgs Test,and they've done countless cycles.Others,like myself,with piss poor genetics require higher doses.

Not true at all in regards to higher doses= more sides.The more advanced you become,the higher doses you require(in most cases) and the sides aren't any more than 500 mgs.I've ran extremely high doses of Test and actually my sides were worse at 500 mgs than grams of it.

~Pinnacle~

[Extreme]

Thanks for all the input pinnacle. I am with you on the piss poor genetics. I see guys blow up off low dossages. Irritates me. I agree the higher dosages I have gone with experience the sides have not changes. What do you think the cut off is on deca test dosages with experience before it just becomes a waste.

[Pinnacle]

What do you think the cut off is on deca test dosages with experience before it just becomes a waste.

I've ran 800 mgs deca,and 1g..couldn't tell the difference...so I'd say no more than 800 from my own personal experience.

~Pinnacle~

[Extreme]

thanks pinn. Do you usually frontload with dosages that high. or just frontload the test. I frontloaded my last cycle and liked but wondering if needed with deca and test dosages this high

[Pinnacle]

thanks pinn. Do you usually frontload with dosages that high. or just frontload the test. I frontloaded my last cycle and liked but wondering if needed with deca and test dosages this high

I've tried the frontloading thing.Doesn't work for me...

[marcus300]

When designing a standard short cycle you are better of using short esters, but if you respond with deca extremly well in the first part of any cycle then it is worth thinking about, id stick with around 10 weeks with test & deca.