1st serious bulk - Test + ?

**cutting_king** · 02-23-2006, 12:06 PM

Hey guys. looking for some advice on my bulking cycle coming up next month. going to use test cyp/En as a base + kickstarting with d-bol. i was thinking about stacking with eq but i'm not sure if there may be something else better that i'm overlooking to stack the test with. my other cycles have mostly been non-aromatising cycles as I've been cutting up and i'm not wanting to use a progestin as they create really bad sides for me so no tren . letro will be used during cycle and pct will be no problem to sort. looking to gain around 15-20 pounds. diet is in check and I've been training over 3 years total now too. so whats your opinion on the best thing to go with test for good hard lean gains? any advice appreciated

**stocky121** · 02-23-2006, 12:10 PM

cycle experiance and stat's mate ?

**vitor** · 02-23-2006, 12:17 PM

Primobolan is what youre looking for(to add with the test), if you can offord it. 1 gram per week, and you will have a blast, with no sides.

**cutting_king** · 02-23-2006, 12:20 PM

ok here goes. Height 5'11, weight: down to 175 :-( cycle experience: I've completed 3 cycles previously. 1) sust/deca (Which i cut short due to sides as i had no knowledge of ai's) 2) prop/primo/winny 3) primo/Var/tren . all 3 cycles were 10 weeks long but only did proper pct on the 2nd and 3rd as the 1st one was over a year ago when i knew next to nothing. diet consists of 4000 calories and 300 protein daily mainly from food as i don't rely on shakes apart from post workout and bedtime. i also do MMA fighting after my workout which i use as my cardio

**stocky121** · 02-23-2006, 12:23 PM

Originally Posted by cutting_king

ok here goes. Height 5'11, weight: down to 175 :-( cycle experience: I've completed 3 cycles previously. 1) sust/deca (Which i cut short due to sides as i had no knowledge of ai's) 2) prop/primo/winny 3) primo/Var/tren. all 3 cycles were 10 weeks long but only did proper pct on the 2nd and 3rd as the 1st one was over a year ago when i knew next to nothing. diet consists of 4000 calories and 300 protein daily mainly from food as i don't rely on shakes apart from post workout and bedtime. i also do MMA fighting after my workout which i use as my cardio

if you could handdle deca again i would opt for this over eq

b,bol test and deca great mass building stack

**cutting_king** · 02-23-2006, 12:24 PM

Originally Posted by vitor

Primobolan is what youre looking for(to add with the test), if you can offord it. 1 gram per week, and you will have a blast, with no sides.

i love primo! as soon as i find a decent price for it i will buy it by the gallon! until then..... the last time i ran primo i ran it at 500mg and still got good keepable solid gains for it but suppose I'll have to do some saving for 1gram a week

**cutting_king** · 02-23-2006, 12:28 PM

Originally Posted by stocky121

if you could handdle deca again i would opt for this over eq

b,bol test and deca great mass building stack

i thought deca would be the 1st suggestion and seems pretty logical except it blows my head up the size and shape of an over-inflated beachball

**goalseeker** · 02-23-2006, 12:37 PM

Originally Posted by cutting_king

i thought deca would be the 1st suggestion and seems pretty logical except it blows my head up the size and shape of an over-inflated beachball

..WHOA!!...

**vitor** · 02-23-2006, 12:40 PM

Originally Posted by cutting_king

i thought deca would be the 1st suggestion and seems pretty logical except it blows my head up the size and shape of an over-inflated beachball

Yeah, deca causes seriuos bloating, +the progesterone sides which makes deca a very unpleasent drug in high dosages. Primobloan can therefor be used at much higher dosages than nadrolone, and give higher maximum effect, with alot less sides.

**cutting_king** · 02-23-2006, 12:50 PM

Originally Posted by vitor

Yeah, deca causes seriuos bloating, +the progesterone sides which makes deca a very unpleasent drug in high dosages. Primobloan can therefor be used at much higher dosages than nadrolone, and give higher maximum effect, with alot less sides.

ok so say i was to run primo at 1gram weekly and given the rule that test should normally be run higher or at the same dosages as any compound its run with, would that mean i'm having to run test at 1gram per week too?

**vitor** · 02-23-2006, 12:59 PM

Originally Posted by cutting_king

ok so say i was to run primo at 1gram weekly and given the rule that test should normally be run higher or at the same dosages as any compound its run with, would that mean i'm having to run test at 1gram per week too?

No you dont!!

As little as 100mgs testosterone ew would replace your natrual testosterone production. I wonder who made that idiotic rule....

**goalseeker** · 02-23-2006, 01:05 PM

Originally Posted by vitor

Yeah, deca causes seriuos bloating, +the progesterone sides which makes deca a very unpleasent drug in high dosages. .

I must have bunk deca , cuz week 6 now of 750/wk and I have NO H2o retention, NO zits, and am not getting anything out of it... damn....

**cutting_king** · 02-23-2006, 01:08 PM

Originally Posted by vitor

No you dont!!

As little as 100mgs testosterone ew would replace your natrual testosterone production. I wonder who made that idiotic rule....

ok cool. It's just something i keep hearing around the forum. so primo @ 1g per week 1-12 and test en @ 500mg week 1-12 would be ok? like i said kickstarted with d-bol for weeks 1-4 and possibly winny weeks 10 - 14 to go straight into pct? primo is sounding just too tempting. i might just put the cycle off the extra month and save enough cash for it. let me know if this looks ok. thanks again

**vitor** · 02-23-2006, 01:08 PM

Originally Posted by goalseeker

I must have bunk deca, cuz week 6 now of 750/wk and I have NO H2o retention, NO zits, and am not getting anything out of it... damn....

Sounds like bunk!

(By the way, deca is very easy on the skin(zits) because nadrolone gets convertet to a weaker androgen through the 5ar, in the skin and scalp.)

**vitor** · 02-23-2006, 01:11 PM

Originally Posted by cutting_king

ok cool. It's just something i keep hearing around the forum. so primo @ 1g per week 1-12 and test en @ 500mg week 1-12 would be ok? like i said kickstarted with d-bol for weeks 1-4 and possibly winny weeks 10 - 14 to go straight into pct? primo is sounding just too tempting. i might just put the cycle off the extra month and save enough cash for it. let me know if this looks ok. thanks again

Yeah, thats a very good cycle. (remember your antiestrogens too.)

**goalseeker** · 02-23-2006, 01:13 PM

Originally Posted by vitor

Sounds like bunk!

(By the way, deca is very easy on the skin(zits) because nadrolone gets convertet to a weaker androgen through the 5ar, in the skin and scalp.)

Really....hmmmm..good to know thx.. just got a pm from a bro that said his deca took 8 weeks to kick in... guess Ill give it another week and a half.....
see what happens...

**cutting_king** · 02-23-2006, 01:19 PM

Originally Posted by vitor

Yeah, thats a very good cycle. (remember your antiestrogens too.)

No problem. i was going to use letro. It's been the best AI/Anti-E I've ever used. And I'll probably start it 2 weeks previous to the cycle to build stable blood levels for when the d-bol kicks in. then for pct I'll switch it up to nolvadex /clomid to combat the letro rebound.

**taiboxa** · 02-23-2006, 02:01 PM

Originally Posted by goalseeker

I must have bunk deca, cuz week 6 now of 750/wk and I have NO H2o retention, NO zits, and am not getting anything out of it... damn....

LoL some people are prone and others are not
it doesnt really aromitize so its not like ur going to bloat to bad
i think it was the test that made him bloat in previous cycle.. JMO