very annoying problem!!!!!!

**Timm1704** · 02-25-2006, 10:17 AM

ok, a rant here: ive done afew cycles, and from all these cycles ive grown and my physique has matured, shaped up and strength has gone up alot. my diet has been a good typical bodybuilding diet for the last 4-5 years, and i have always trained with high intensity, method and form. i get plenty of sleep, and live for bodybuilding 24-7. anyway, the rant concerns bodyweight, and the lack of it ive added in the last near-2 years since ive been cycling. my first course was deca and dianabol , i gained about 12 lbs and kept around 8-10. since then each course ive done ive gained NOTHING on the scales. am in week 7 of an anadrol /prop cycle:

weeks 1-4 100mg anadrol ED
weeks 1-10 100mg prop ED
along with nolvadex and proviron

in the first ten days i gained 6 lbs and didnt look at all puffy anywhere, but now ive stopped the anadrol ive since gone back to my start weight, which has been the same weight since the end of my first course.

i have a friend who doesnt know what he is doing with gear, he says so himself, but whenevr he does a course, he suddenly gain 14 lbs and keeps nearly all of it. he will eat, at best, 2-3 meals a day, not even decent meals when he does, and uses the odd protein shake. when he started training he was about 170lbs, and now is 215lbs at 6ft. he did afew dbol -only courses before i started with gear, but he had only been training afew months, whilst id been training 6 1/2 years. he isnt as cut as me, and im alot stronger, but what the hell, why cant i gain any weight?

sorry to go off on one there lol, and if it seems a weird question im sorry, its just been bugging me for ages now and i only have about 4 weeks left of prop, and feel like i will end up maybe 2lbs heavier than when i started, just more shaped and stronger. im eating 4,000cals per day, around 400g protein, and low fat. my gear is legit, and im looking bigger. anyone else have this problem?

**Timm1704** · 02-25-2006, 10:20 AM

was thinking of using tren /suspension (or prop) and dianabol for my next course at the end of summer, altho now am thinkin will go for summit like deca / dbol and test E as the only time my weight has increased on cycle before was when i used deca and dianabol together

**velvetlion** · 02-25-2006, 10:24 AM

I had a friend with a similar problem. His metababolism was such that he would have problems gaining a pound. Always looked good and his muscle would chance. He would look a little fuller from show to show, and his quality of muscle would look better, but he had real problems gaining. weight. He would actually eat worse than he did in the offseason his last few weeks before a show because it would fill him out much better. He would be eating Big Mac's and stuff like that.

As for your other friend. Some people respond much better to compounds than others. I have been blessed that even if I am out of the gym for a long stretch, I can get back in and start growing immediately and my body reacts to compounds in a possitive way.

Try adjusting your diet and maybe not eating as clean as you have been. Force feed yourself and see if that will help you put some weight on.

**Timm1704** · 02-25-2006, 10:27 AM

i force-fed myself so much when i was on the anadrol , was the same amount, if not alittle less than im eating now, but drol killed my appetite, id literally eat my meals, then keep being sick in my mouth and swallowing it lol. yeah maybe thats the case, i look better off each course ive done, but the scales are being an arsehole. cheers mate, well, as it happens im goin pizza hut tonight lol, let the fast food binge commence!

**Jnrmrplymouth** · 02-25-2006, 11:22 AM

Well I has a simliar problem on my first cycle which I am just starting PCT for. I gained 15lbs from dianabol in 3 weeks and the course was 10 weeks long. I basically gain no 'bodyweight' from test and yet im told I look alot bigger and my strength went thro the roof.

A friend of mine in the gym who I train with from time to time says that its not all about bodyweight..........its how you look that counts. And another friend of mine whos won a show told me as long as my strength is going up then its all good news. He said I should be more worried if my weight is going up but my strength isnt.

If you look bigger and your strength is going up I wouldnt worry. You may only gain 2 lbs. But that could be 2lbs of solid muscle and thats alot!

**bowie** · 02-25-2006, 11:40 AM

If it's weight you want, add crappy food to your diet, I've seen lee preist eat a whole bucket of Kentucky Fried Chicken in one sitting. IMO a-bombs are a tough one, they kill the appetite so bad, and end up just retaining some water. Since your experienced go with a 500mg test 2x week, 400mg of deca 2x week and about six weeks of d-bol 40mg a day. I've done a hundred cycles and this always adds 10 to 15 pounds every time. 400g a day of protein should be plenty, add some junk food every hour or so.

**oswaldosalcedo** · 02-25-2006, 11:51 AM

Originally Posted by Timm1704

ok, a rant here: ive done afew cycles, and from all these cycles ive grown and my physique has matured, shaped up and strength has gone up alot. my diet has been a good typical bodybuilding diet for the last 4-5 years, and i have always trained with high intensity, method and form. i get plenty of sleep, and live for bodybuilding 24-7. anyway, the rant concerns bodyweight, and the lack of it ive added in the last near-2 years since ive been cycling. my first course was deca and dianabol , i gained about 12 lbs and kept around 8-10. since then each course ive done ive gained NOTHING on the scales. am in week 7 of an anadrol /prop cycle:

weeks 1-4 100mg anadrol ED
weeks 1-10 100mg prop ED
along with nolvadex and proviron

in the first ten days i gained 6 lbs and didnt look at all puffy anywhere, but now ive stopped the anadrol ive since gone back to my start weight, which has been the same weight since the end of my first course.

i have a friend who doesnt know what he is doing with gear, he says so himself, but whenevr he does a course, he suddenly gain 14 lbs and keeps nearly all of it. he will eat, at best, 2-3 meals a day, not even decent meals when he does, and uses the odd protein shake. when he started training he was about 170lbs, and now is 215lbs at 6ft. he did afew dbol -only courses before i started with gear, but he had only been training afew months, whilst id been training 6 1/2 years. he isnt as cut as me, and im alot stronger, but what the hell, why cant i gain any weight?

sorry to go off on one there lol, and if it seems a weird question im sorry, its just been bugging me for ages now and i only have about 4 weeks left of prop, and feel like i will end up maybe 2lbs heavier than when i started, just more shaped and stronger. im eating 4,000cals per day, around 400g protein, and low fat. my gear is legit, and im looking bigger. anyone else have this problem?

i will prefer e test and nandro for you,12-14 weeks
i do not respond very well to dianabol too (fast aas,like p test).

1 gr weekly e test and 600 mg nandro.
check your estrogen levels (blood test), i wish to see something (if is low or high)
i know people that grow with much less protein, have to do with genetics.
crap food is not the answer.

**Timm1704** · 02-25-2006, 12:24 PM

i know that, as i dont wanna get fat so avoid crap most of the time, althpo pizza hut is still on for tonight lol. im very strict with my eating. in previous courses (this is my 5th) ive not gained any weight on the scales, but have been leaner so figured i hadnt lost any weight, but lost fat and water, and gained muscle, hence the lack of change in weight. in this course im sure ive added fat to my stomach, just from the vast amount of carbs ive been eating i assume. i tend to agree with the 'its how you look, not how much you weight' philosophy, but after 5 cycles, and having gained about 8lbs overall, im well pissed. think my next course will be test E at 500mg EW (or 750mg), deca at 400mg EW, and dianabol at 40-50mg ED for the first 6 weeks, with an overall course of 12 weeks. thankyou for all the input guys, didnt think anyone would see where i was coming from here, and people would just assume i was lying about my diet, training and discipline

**velvetlion** · 02-25-2006, 01:15 PM

Originally Posted by oswaldosalcedo

i will prefer e test and nandro for you,12-14 weeks
i do not respond very well to dianabol too (fast aas,like p test).

1 gr weekly e test and 600 mg nandro.
check your estrogen levels (blood test), i wish to see something (if is low or high)
i know people that grow with much less protein, have to do with genetics.
crap food is not the answer.

I would have to disagree that crap food is not the answer. For some it is. I have seen people that can't get there muscles full without eating crap foods. When they eat clean, no matter the amount, they end up being extremely flat. Obviously this is just for a select group of people, but they are out there.

**Timm1704** · 02-25-2006, 01:19 PM

im guessing my test levels (when off-cycle) are decent, im 20 years old, almost 21 (yes, i know, i was young to start at 19) and when off cycle, my sex drive is usually very high, facial hair grows real quick, i always have great workouts and any gains i do get from steroids i always keep, strength increases abit when off anyway, and when i adjust my diet accordingly, i lose fat pretty easily

**Swifto** · 02-25-2006, 01:21 PM

Sounds like he's got awsome genetics and responds very well to AS.

If food isnt the answer and your consuming a clean diet, high in clean calories then you may need to think about uping your doses. 100mg/ED Anadrol and Test Prop isnt a small dose, but it seems your not responding to it. Up it and see how the gains/sides compare IMHO.

**Swifto** · 02-25-2006, 01:22 PM

Originally Posted by Timm1704

im guessing my test levels (when off-cycle) are decent, im 20 years old, almost 21 (yes, i know, i was young to start at 19) and when off cycle, my sex drive is usually very high, facial hair grows real quick, i always have great workouts and any gains i do get from steroids i always keep, strength increases abit when off anyway, and when i adjust my diet accordingly, i lose fat pretty easily

Is your AS 100% legit?

**Booz** · 02-25-2006, 01:29 PM

crappy food will only put on crappy weight!!

**stupidhippo** · 02-25-2006, 01:40 PM

not necessarily so..... I know some ppl who need extreme calories to gain anything... not advocating crappy food though

**Hellmaskbanned** · 02-25-2006, 01:57 PM

Originally Posted by Timm1704

ok, a rant here: ive done afew cycles, and from all these cycles ive grown and my physique has matured, shaped up and strength has gone up alot. my diet has been a good typical bodybuilding diet for the last 4-5 years, and i have always trained with high intensity, method and form. i get plenty of sleep, and live for bodybuilding 24-7. anyway, the rant concerns bodyweight, and the lack of it ive added in the last near-2 years since ive been cycling. my first course was deca and dianabol , i gained about 12 lbs and kept around 8-10. since then each course ive done ive gained NOTHING on the scales. am in week 7 of an anadrol /prop cycle:

weeks 1-4 100mg anadrol ED
weeks 1-10 100mg prop ED
along with nolvadex and proviron

in the first ten days i gained 6 lbs and didnt look at all puffy anywhere, but now ive stopped the anadrol ive since gone back to my start weight, which has been the same weight since the end of my first course.

i have a friend who doesnt know what he is doing with gear, he says so himself, but whenevr he does a course, he suddenly gain 14 lbs and keeps nearly all of it. he will eat, at best, 2-3 meals a day, not even decent meals when he does, and uses the odd protein shake. when he started training he was about 170lbs, and now is 215lbs at 6ft. he did afew dbol -only courses before i started with gear, but he had only been training afew months, whilst id been training 6 1/2 years. he isnt as cut as me, and im alot stronger, but what the hell, why cant i gain any weight?

sorry to go off on one there lol, and if it seems a weird question im sorry, its just been bugging me for ages now and i only have about 4 weeks left of prop, and feel like i will end up maybe 2lbs heavier than when i started, just more shaped and stronger. im eating 4,000cals per day, around 400g protein, and low fat. my gear is legit, and im looking bigger. anyone else have this problem?

Whats your stats?
6ft. 215 isn't that big for someone that cycles unless his BF is REALLY low. Do your train with him? If you do you both are doing things wrong.

**omnipotent** · 02-25-2006, 02:52 PM

Honestly , you need to give your body a rest .. your body got so used to working out everyday that you dont " shock " it anymore .

Give this a try i do it every 4 months ..

rest for 2-3 weeks no gym .. and do calisthetics once a week .
keep your diet the same as it is now .

and when its time to go back to the gym , try a few weeks of german volumes ( 10 sets x 10 reps ) this will shock yur body real nice , i always put on pounds when i do this .

goodluck .

**omnipotent** · 02-25-2006, 02:55 PM

as a matter of fact .. i just came off of a 3 week rest period .

i have gained about 12 pounds , and mind you im not on a cycle .. i will start a cycle in 2-3 weeks .. so that rest time should have gave me enough recovery time to overload my body .

**FromTheWimbo** · 02-25-2006, 02:57 PM

????

**Timm1704** · 02-25-2006, 06:07 PM

yeah i occaisionally throw in a powerlifting 2 weeks, and stick to ten sets of either flat or incline presses, 10 sets of squats, 10 sets of deadlifts, although i havent done this for awhile, and maybe a big shake up in my training is what i need. i do get the occaisional muscle soreness days after training. as far as my gear being legit, in the past, no doubt, this course, the anadrol was legit for sure, and the prop is british dragon, looks completely legit. maybe underdosed? im using 700mg EW of the test, and the highest ive ran in the past is 750mg. as far as my friend goes, he is 21/22, i dont train with him, but know how he trains, which is not really how id recommend someone to train, and we are both personal trainers (well, i was, but havent been doing that lately). he is pretty big, but rather soft, seems to keep water retention even when off cycle

**smiler** · 02-25-2006, 06:19 PM

if you look alot better and have lost bf then screw the scale, you may have lost 7 lbs fat...= 9 lbs gained

**Pooks** · 02-25-2006, 06:27 PM

Yah i'd be pissed too..
makes u wonder what will happen once u get of the Test prop.. and u lose some gains..

I agree with others up the dosage..
100mg prop ED isn't cutting it.

maybe try n get some tren to hit up the receptors with somethign different?

**Timm1704** · 02-25-2006, 07:45 PM

so far with every cycle, ive never lost any gains, except water, and whilst on the prop, dont seem to be carrying ANY excess water. again, not a weight gain per se, but the shape and proportions have come on, which im pretty sure i will keep after the cycle, as i always have done in the past

**Timm1704** · 02-25-2006, 07:47 PM

Originally Posted by smiler

if you look alot better and have lost bf then screw the scale, you may have lost 7 lbs fat...= 9 lbs gained

and my point is, on this course, i dont believe ive lost any bodyfat, altho in the past, this has been the case. my mission is to gain another 28lbs of solid muscle in the next 4 years. i still think il make this gain, its just a matter of tweaking things and finding out how lol