DNP with IGF vs cutting cycle

[goose]

Losing 10-15lbs of fat is completely realistic with DNP in 15 days,with IGF results are much greater,I lost 26Ilbs with a 16 day DNP (200mg) including a 5 week IGF cycle. I also have noticed that in a 10 week cutting cycle (70 days) 10-18lbs is a reasonabl loss goal.So what becomes the motivation to run a cutter (w/ gear) as oppossed to always running DNP with IGF when you want to cut.That is, why would one not just run DNP+IGF for cutters...
I've decided that the best method for fat loss is a low dose DNP with IGF along with a standard low dose AAS cutting cycle within this time frame.The perfect AAS would be winny,andriol and masteron as you will not get shut down making a swift recovery in PCT.We have a huge scientific advantage running IGF with DNP as it will mimic insulin thus giving less side effects.Since DNP inhibits ATP synthesis, glycolosis is inhibited as well, causing a diabetic effect due to the conversion of glucose without insulin, so it's not terribly uncommon for people to take insulin with DNP. This will counter act the symptoms of lethargy and lack of energy due to DNP's use,which with a low dose of IGF (100) and a low dose of DNP (200) giving you a safe Journey with Sensational 4 week results.Why run a 14 week cutter?


goose4..

[goose]

No ideas??

[powerliftmike]

Goose I respect you, and know you are a very intelligent person, but I dont think anyone should be taking DNP . And it seems IGF LR3 does lead to significant fatloss, but the fat seems to magically return after discontinuance.

[goose]

Goose I respect you, and know you are a very intelligent person, but I dont think anyone should be taking DNP. And it seems IGF LR3 does lead to significant fatloss, but the fat seems to magically return after discontinuance.

Thanks mike I truly like your honest veiw,I would not advise people to take DNP ,however,you do have a number of people who run DNP with ease at low doses.It aplies exactly to slin,you have to be a real idiot to kill your-self on DNP,to be frank the sides from tren is worst on a low dose of DNP,infact technically speaking it`s safer than clen in the long run.Clen is horrific on the heart,especially in longer cycles.I Advocate a very safe Approach to AAS,I may seem crazy but I`m not reckless,the longer I have been in this game the more open mided I have become.


goose4..

[powerliftmike]

I agree, many medical studies I have been reading point to cardiac hypertrophy and aortic rupture induced by clenbuterol . Will continue research, but am questioning right now whether I will use it again. I used to use it to make weight for competition without the strength loss of T3/T4.

[goose]

I agree, many medical studies I have been reading point to cardiac hypertrophy and aortic rupture induced by clenbuterol. Will continue research, but am questioning right now whether I will use it again. I used to use it to make weight for competition without the strength loss of T3/T4.

This has been a very similar Journey for me with Clen ,it is an unusual stimulant,can produce good results,but I also have put clen on hold for the current time.I think the dangers with clen are Underrated, especially Incorporated with long term AAS.As AAS builds muscle,we must not forget the heart is a muscle,it`s function is to pump blood around the body.Long term AAS use will increase the size of your heart only Minimally,remember that fantastic documentary with the twins illustrating my point. DNP is interesting to me beacause it`s a short time in hell,getting out before your body knows what`s wrong,unfortantly that`s not the case with clen as it causes potential permanent damage.Just ask a long time user of clen? Many report regular heart pain.
Another factor of danger with DNP is to consider is that after 48 hours of DNP use the liver experiences severe ATP depletion resulting in, among other things, almost all circulating T-4 thyroid hormone to be come unbound and excreted out of the body at a much higher rate. TSH, TRH, and thyroid gland secretion remain normal or above. But the body receives very little T-4 or T-3. This is why most DNP only users reported a decline in body temperature after two days of continuous use.that DNP use causes an increase in free radical production. The smarter guys who used DNP supplemented their diet with additional anti-oxidants such as vitamins C & E, glutamine, and glutathione. DNP also appeared to clean out androgenic receptor-sites and may have caused receptor-site up regulation,this is very interesting.

goose4..

[goose]

I’m really not going to bore you with long and complicated explanations of how both DNP and insulin work in the body and why DNP with IGF is a devastating combo the best fat burning effect in the world, but I do need to touch on the subject. Many of the articles written about DNP refer to it’s abilities to block the actions of insulin. This is true only in a limited sense. Insulin is released by pancreatic beta cells in response to elevated ATP/ADP ratios. Briefly, when your blood sugar levels rise, your ATP/ADP levels become elevated, inhibiting ATP sensitive potassium ion channels (KATP), altering the membrane potential of the pancreatic cells and causing insulin release. The key point here is that insulin will not be released unless ATP levels within the cells increase. DNP interferes with the protein complex ATP synthase, which allows for the synthesis of ATP from ADP and Pi (inorganic phosphate). Since DNP interferes with a key step in ATP production, obviously ATP levels never elevate within any cell, including pancreatic beta cells. Hence, the feedback system through the KATP channels (at least in regards to insulin release), is disabled, and you effectively make yourself a diabetic while on DNP.
The primary action of insulin in the body is to drive glucose into muscle and liver cells (stored as glycogen) which is converted into ATP. ATP again? Since DNP reduces ATP production significantly, it again interferes with insulin by preventing a significant amount of the glucose that is pushed into cells by insulin from ever being used as energy (at least by the cell). So, what is happening to all of this energy that is being expended through the electron transport chain to turn ADP and Pi into ATP? It’s thrown off as heat, and lots of it. In fact, because the amount of heat produced is a direct correlation of how much DNP is consumed, taking too much DNP will cook you from the inside out. Let me repeat this. Taking too much DNP will fry you like an English breakfast It doesn’t sound like a pleasant way to die, does it? DNP is not one of those, hey a little did me good, more will do me better kind of substances. A little will do you good and more will burn your ass up.
So, now we understand the ways in which DNP interferes with some of the actions of insulin. Another action of insulin (thank you God) is that it promotes transport of amino acids from the bloodstream into muscles and other cells. Insulin also increases the rate at which amino acids are incorporated into protein. Although DNP does block the release of insulin and prevents a key component of the electron transport chain (ATP synthase, remember?), it does nothing to prevent the aforementioned extremely anabolic affect of insulin. Therefore, when you use DNP, you should be administering insulin or better IGF as it mimics insulin and increases the rate of fat loss(that`s the purpose in a cutter) at the same time. The exogenous insulin will still work its anabolic magic while the DNP burns off reams of body fat through the resultant metabolic increase.

[fred9]

so funny...u copy pasted this from Jason Mueller and u changed only a few words...

[SPIKE]

so funny...u copy pasted this from Jason Mueller and u changed only a few words...

You positive? Can you copy and paste the original?

[fred9]

DNP and Insulin Part 1
The perfect “off” cycle
by Jason Mueller

I’m sure by now that everyone is familiar with the use of insulin of bodybuilding circles. Without a doubt, insulin use is the greatest advance in the sport since GH in the early 80’s. I would say that the massive size increases you have seen in the sport over the past five years have been a direct result of insulin use, more so than anything else. Insulin can also kill you.

Most of you are probably aware of DNP’s use in bodybuilding. For those of you who aren’t familiar with DNP, which by the way stands for 2,4-Dinitrophenol, it is an unbelievable fat burning drug. If you’ve ever wondered how a pro bodybuilder drops down from say, 280 to 225-230 in a very short period of time, it’s probably because that particular individual is using DNP with a host of other drugs like thyroid, clenbuterol , etc. In fact, this bodybuilder might develop thyroid problems and balloon up and down in weight, even missing shows or looking horrible at others. Man, good thing this isn’t a real person we’re talking about. Anyway, I digress. DNP is the greatest thing to come along in dieting since, well, I guess it’s about the only good thing to come along that I can think of. And, DNP will kill you quicker than insulin.

Before we continue on, let’s get real for a moment. Please do not use either insulin or DNP. I’m not joking that either of them can kill you, in fact the bottle of DNP I’m looking at right now lists the many horrible consequences of just touching the stuff. Be warned that you are taking your life in your hands by using either insulin or DNP. DNP is used in bug sprays for Christ’s sake. Now that I got that off my chest, we can continue.

I’m really not going to bore you with long and complicated explanations of how both DNP and insulin work in the body, but I do need to touch on the subject. Many of the articles written about DNP refer to it’s abilities to block the actions of insulin. This is true only in a limited sense. Insulin is released by pancreatic beta cells in response to elevated ATP/ADP ratios. Briefly, when your blood sugar levels rise, your ATP/ADP levels become elevated, inhibiting ATP sensitive potassium ion channels (KATP), altering the membrane potential of the pancreatic cells and causing insulin release. The key point here is that insulin will not be released unless ATP levels within the cells increase. DNP interferes with the protein complex ATP synthase, which allows for the synthesis of ATP from ADP and Pi (inorganic phosphate). Since DNP interferes with a key step in ATP production, obviously ATP levels never elevate within any cell, including pancreatic beta cells. Hence, the feedback system through the KATP channels (at least in regards to insulin release), is disabled, and you effectively make yourself a diabetic while on DNP.

The primary action of insulin in the body is to drive glucose into muscle and liver cells (stored as glycogen) which is converted into ATP. ATP again? Since DNP reduces ATP production significantly, it again interferes with insulin by preventing a significant amount of the glucose that is pushed into cells by insulin from ever being used as energy (at least by the cell). So, what is happening to all of this energy that is being expended through the electron transport chain to turn ADP and Pi into ATP? It’s thrown off as heat, and lots of it. In fact, because the amount of heat produced is a direct correlation of how much DNP is consumed, taking too much DNP will cook you from the inside out. Let me repeat this. Taking too much DNP will fry you like an egg. It doesn’t sound like a pleasant way to die, does it? DNP is not one of those, hey a little did me good, more will do me better kind of substances. A little will do you good and more will burn your ass up.

So, now we understand the ways in which DNP interferes with some of the actions of insulin. Another action of insulin (thank you God) is that it promotes transport of amino acids from the bloodstream into muscles and other cells. Insulin also increases the rate at which amino acids are incorporated into protein. Although DNP does block the release of insulin and prevents a key component of the electron transport chain (ATP synthase, remember?), it does nothing to prevent the aforementioned extremely anabolic affect of insulin. Therefore, when you use DNP, you should be administering insulin at the same time. The exogenous insulin will still work its anabolic magic while the DNP burns off reams of body fat through the resultant metabolic increase.
Many so called Gurus are recommending incorporating DNP as a component to any steroid cycle to ensure that weight gained is purely muscle and not fat. While this certainly works great on paper, application is a little different. I am a firm believer in training and eating to grow while on a heavy cycle (and what other kind is there?) Anyone who has any kind of contact with any professional bodybuilder in the off season will see that the chicken and rice thing has been thrown out of the window and that junk food rules the day. Their drug use is of such magnitude that eating clean would simply not supply the necessary calories for growth. Have you ever tried to consume 5000+ calories while on a low fat diet? Good luck. So, while they are certainly growing like a weed in the off season, they also tend to put on a bit of fat. Big deal. I’m going to let you in on a little secret. The only time those guys look like that is when they are on stage. Many people assume that the top guys are in shape all year round because they never see any pictures of them in the off season. And with good reason. Most (not all, but most) bodybuilders look like a chipmunk with a walnut in each cheek in the off season. These fellow tend to get a bit fat and bloated from their diets and heavy drug use. Now taking DNP while cycling will certainly help keep you leaner. It will also make you weaker, uncomfortable, and more quick to tire from a workout. Obviously not a good combination for consuming mass quantities while kicking ass in the gym is it? Therefore, we need a schedule for DNP administration. I’m a firm believer in down time from cycles (another article me thinks?), not because of receptor down regulation but from other factors. I propose a system where the athlete uses AS for 10 weeks, similar to the system advocated by Paul Borreson, followed by three weeks of down time. During this down time, 24 days actually, the athlete uses DNP in conjunction with insulin and T3, losing body fat while maintaining lean body mass. The dosing schedule would be as follows:

Last day of AS administration
Days 1-8 DNP with insulin and T3
Days 9-16 DNP is not used, insulin use continues, T3 continues for days 9-12
Days 17-24 DNP with insulin and T3
BACK ON THE JUICE!!

Psychologically this isn’t the easiest system to use. Most guys who take AS never want to come off because they can’t deal with the trauma of not feeling “juiced”. You know that feeling you have that if your car were flip over twenty times in a horrible flaming wreck it wouldn’t matter because you’re on and you wouldn’t get hurt. That’s the feeling I’m referring to, the feeling that I’m strong, I’m invincible and on top of the world. However, are you taking gear to give yourself some false sense of security or because you want to take your body to previously unseen levels? Every person I’ve seen who takes time off between cycles (we’re talking three weeks here people) is healthier, bigger, and in better shape than those who don’t. Additionally, by staying leaner in the off season, you have less fat to lose before a show, which will result is less muscle catabolism while dieting. I think we’ll see the day soon where bodybuilders are staying much leaner in the off season by incorporating a system like the one I’ve described above, and getting on stage much bigger.

STAY TUNED FOR NEXT ISSUE WHERE WE DISCUSS HOW MUCH INSULIN AND DNP TO USE, WHERE TO OBTAIN DNP, AND REAL WORLD EXAMPLES OF DNP’S AMAZING AFFECTS!!! IF YOU’RE PLANNING ON USING DNP AND INSULIN, AND AGAIN PLEASE DON’T, YOU MUST WAIT UNTIL OUR NEXT ISSUE!!!

[SPIKE]

Dam Fred very observant..............

[Milky87]

Goose, maybe you should give credit to Jason

[The Moose]

Fred, where did you get that article from? I am very interested in reading the follow up to that article as I will be starting a DNP cycle of my own next week.

[MASTER]

Ive gotta say I don't think dnp is worth the risks, I used it with reasonable success, but eventually I had to discontinue use because of the serious side effects i was experiencing. If you intend to use it again, make sure you keep track of your heart rate, because mine soared to an extremely unsafe level and if I had not of known and got involved in a strenuous activity, I would probably not be typing this message right now. I personally believe, a normal cutting cycle, with a carefully thought out diet and perhaps the addition of an eca stack are perfectly sufficient for substantial fatloss, without much risk of bad side effects. Jmo

[dr_skier]

Now what about DNP on a CKD.... low insulin levels already cause of no (or very little) carb intake. However fat intake is still high, what do people think?

[dr_skier]

bump?

[badboy247]

im considering doing the dnp igf1 course you did,,, i recently tried liquid clen and cyto for 6 weeks and was hoping to lose similar poundage to what you did, but i didnt get the results i wanted. is dnp with igf1 really all its cracked up to be ?

[dr_skier]

I too would like to know..