what's best for First cycle

[venomm]

HEY BROS,
im 23 yo,6'2,215lbs, 15.4% BF
DIET:

Meal1: 8-10 egg white,.5 cup oats

Training for 1 and half hr
PWO shake, 50gm protein isloate,60-70 gm dextrose

Meal2: 200 gm chicken,brown rice sometimes

Meal3: 4 egg white,protein shake(40gm), flax seed oil

Meal4: can of tuna, almonds

Meal5:120gm chicken wit flax seed oil

Meal6: shake wit chicken and cottage cheese

i do cardio 5 times a week for about 30-40 mins, and train for 1 day off, 1 day on split, and im lifting for over 3 yrs now
After doing some search and reading differnt Forms and gettin feedback previoulsy before from members i come up wit this cylce and im sure its not perfect, thats why i need second look at it by u guys

Weeks 10
100mg Test Prop EOD
20mg nolvadex ED
and i was told to take Anti E i.e letro to combat the estrogen and to avoid unnecessaey bloating

and for PCT
week 10-13
20 mg nolvadex ED
50 mg CLomid ED

should i need to add anything else like TestE, Tren or T3

any kinda feedback will help and plzz critisize my post
looking fwd: to ur replies

[Bizz]

imo 100mg eod it,s not enough try 150mg at least pct is till you fully recovery it usually last 4 week for me...everything else look good good luck...

Bizz

[Grappler13]

HEY BROS,
im 23 yo,6'2,215lbs, 15.4% BF
DIET:

Meal1: 8-10 egg white,.5 cup oats

Training for 1 and half hr
PWO shake, 50gm protein isloate,60-70 gm dextrose

Meal2: 200 gm chicken,brown rice sometimes

Meal3: 4 egg white,protein shake(40gm), flax seed oil

Meal4: can of tuna, almonds

Meal5:120gm chicken wit flax seed oil

Meal6: shake wit chicken and cottage cheese

i do cardio 5 times a week for about 30-40 mins, and train for 1 day off, 1 day on split, and im lifting for over 3 yrs now
After doing some search and reading differnt Forms and gettin feedback previoulsy before from members i come up wit this cylce and im sure its not perfect, thats why i need second look at it by u guys

Weeks 10
100mg Test Prop EOD
20mg nolvadex ED
and i was told to take Anti E i.e letro to combat the estrogen and to avoid unnecessaey bloating

and for PCT
week 10-13
20 mg nolvadex ED
50 mg CLomid ED

should i need to add anything else like TestE, Tren or T3

any kinda feedback will help and plzz critisize my post
looking fwd: to ur replies

I'm on my first cycle and would advise a longer acting ester like enth or cyp. Less shots.. EOD sounds like alot of work (and you'll be spending enough time eating and training). JMO

[venomm]

Grappler u suggesting a long Ester cycle so means i go wit either Test Enan or Cyp, but i want to run a cycle as a cutting base and for that i was suggest to go with prop as a base.
if i do use a long ester shud i go wit one that doesnt aromatize heavily ansd which that would be?
and if i opt for long ester, should i still need anti e and can u coment on when to run anti -e, should i run it with the cyle or with PCT?
love to hear more comments about the cycle

[marcus300]

You could use prop but id stick with a single ester so it reduces the amount of injection you will have to do, test e for 12 wks 500mg per wk with a good basic diet,

[venomm]

yea i had that in my mind too but isnt test e more like for mass cycles, as i wanna do a cycle as i said before for cutting and i know itsd the diet and training that control most
cant i use 500mg for test prop or is that too much? and once again when should i run the anti e, along weith the cycle or withj PCT?

[marcus300]

yea i had that in my mind too but isnt test e more like for mass cycles, as i wanna do a cycle as i said before for cutting and i know itsd the diet and training that control most
cant i use 500mg for test prop or is that too much? and once again when should i run the anti e, along weith the cycle or withj PCT?

yes you can use prop instead of test e, you will get slightly less bloat but if the right anti-estrogens are used you will be fine with either, its just less shots with test e, test is test cutting is down to your diet.

[venomm]

yeaa, hmm u guys make me think twice as either of them sounds good, and for anti e i have letro in mind and im repeatin again, shud i run the ant-estrogen wit the cycle itself or wit the PCT?

[marcus300]

yes run a anti e along with the cycle and pct, better safe than sorry

[venomm]

Should i just stick to a cardio workout and a good diet or hit clen or tren wit the above cycle?
i just read a post about them and lot of memebers says its better to run tren as cuttin cycle alon wit the test
so i jus need some feedback on it
thnx

[marcus300]

if its your first cycle just test only, as i mentioned above and get your diet in order and you will get all the gains you require

[venomm]

Every day or every Other day which is better as said above by Grappler that EOD is a lot of shooting, where as with Test E its ED,means less shooting
does(EOD or ED) it make really any difference?

[goalseeker]

if its your first cycle just test only, as i mentioned above and get your diet in order and you will get all the gains you require

... I agree with Marcus.....

[goalseeker]

Every day or every Other day which is better as said above by Grappler that EOD is a lot of shooting, where as with Test E its ED,means less shooting
does(EOD or ED) it make really any difference?

I didnt find a difference between the two. But remember we are all different...

[venomm]

yea thats right, every1 is diff..and while goin through some more posts i read that shooting with prop hurt and if u add tren it'll reduce the pain lets say 75mg ED, where its not the case with Test E.
if i use test E how much bloatness i get(bf15.4%)as compare to prop? if not much diff i sure love to do test e
thnx in advance