For Us Who Use Year Round

[STONES2]

I am ending a 16 wk cycle of 500mg test-e and 400mg deca.

1-14..500mg test-e and 400mg deca and 8-16 anavar 80mg per day.

I am running the test for two wks longer and then wanted to know should I stop
running test alto gather and start pct of clomid and nolva or can I continue to run 250mg per wk during pct like I usually do?

Twostones

[Kale]

Whats the point of running 250mg per week during PCT, it totally defeats the purpose of PCT. If you cruise between cycles you never do PCT. How old are you ?

[vitor]

You will never recover with that. Only 200 mgs testosterone ew will shut you down completely.

[DEVLDOG]

Whats the point of running 250mg per week during PCT, it totally defeats the purpose of PCT. If you cruise between cycles you never do PCT. How old are you ?

according to his profile he is 47..

are you on hrt?

and I wouldnt bother running pct if your gonna stay on.maybe some hcg every now and then.

[Kale]

according to his profile he is 47..

are you on hrt?

and I wouldnt bother running pct if your gonna stay on.maybe some hcg every now and then.

Yeah I saw that after I asked the question. I am permanetly cruising between cycles as well. PCT is a waste of time as I already said. I also think 250mg per week is too much for cruising. I am way above the top of the range on 100mg per week.

[STONES2]

Yes I am 47 and the purpose i just to bring back the boys to their normal size,

200 mg is what I see most guys doing during thier cruising, it is just easier for me since my taest=e is a250mg/ml

[Kale]

Yes I am 47 and the purpose i just to bring back the boys to their normal size,

200 mg is what I see most guys doing during thier cruising, it is just easier for me since my taest=e is a250mg/ml

Well if you want to bring the boys back all you need to do is some HCG.

[STONES2]

What would a proper dosage be to bring them back?


twostones

[Kale]

Have a read of this. Its from a Dr on another board

"I advise my AAS patients to use small amounts of HCG (250IU to 500IU) two days each week, right from the beginning of the cycle. This serves to maintain testicular form and function. It makes more sense to me to keep the horse in the barn, so to speak, then to have to chase it across three counties later on. I am also a big fan of maintaining estrogen within physiological ranges. Both therapies have been shown to hasten recovery.

Any more than 500IU of HCG per day causes too much aromatase activity. Some feel aromatase is actually toxic to the Leydig cells of the testes. You are then inducing primary hypogonadism (which is permanent) while treating steroid-induced secondary (hypogonadotrophic) hypogonadism (which is temporary--hopefully).

If 250IU or 500IU on two days each week isn?t enough to stave off testicular atrophy, then I recommend using it more days each week (as opposed to taking larger doses). In fact, I wouldn?t mind having a guy use 250IU per day ALL THROUGH the cycle. Those that have tell me they thus avoid that edgy, burned-out feeling they usually get. They also say they simply feel better each day. Subjective reports, to be sure, but they are hard not to appreciate. Especially when HCG is so inexpensive.

The testes are then ready, willing and able to again produce testosterone at the end of the cycle. LH levels rise fairly rapidly, but endogenous testosterone production is limited by lack of use. I also want to make sure a SERM, such as Clomid or Nolvadex, is at effective serum dosage (around 100mg QD for Clomid, 20-40mg QD for Nolvadex) when serum androgen levels drop to a concentration roughly equal to 200mg of testosterone per week. That is when androgenic inhibition at the HP no longer dominates over estrogenic antagonism with respect to inducing LH production. Of course, if the fellow has been doing Clomid or Nolvadex all along the way (and I now prefer Nolvadex over Clomid, due to the possibility of negative sides from the Clomid), he is all set to simply continue it at the end (no need to switch from one to the other). BTW, I see no evidence of any benefit in using BOTH SERM?s at the same time. I used to think a couple of weeks of the SERM was enough; now I like to see an entire month after the last shot of AAS (and migration of long to short esters as the cycle matures). Tapering the SERM is probably a good idea during the last week, as well.

I want my patients to stop taking HCG within a week after the end of the cycle. The testosterone production it induces will further inhibit recovery, as will using Androgel, or any other testosterone preparation, while in recovery. There is no escaping this, as there is no such thing as a ?bridge?. Just because you are not inhibiting the HPTA for the entire 24 hours does not mean you are not suppressing it at all. IOW, you can?t ?fool? the body?it is smarter than you are.

I like Arimidex during the cycle (in fact, consider use of an AI while taking aromatisables a necessity) but it ABSOLUTELY should not be used post cycle (even though it has been shown to increase LH production) because the risk of driving estrogen too low, and therefore further damaging an already compromised Lipid Profile, is too great (this also drives libido back into the ground?and we don?t want that, do we?).

All this is meant to get my guys through recovery as fast as possible (the real goal, yes?). So far, all of them who have tried it have reported they are recovering faster than when they have tried other protocols.

[taiboxa]

i run hcg 500iu ed for a week every 7th week
works great for me...
all in all i feel hcg is a waste though.. i just start using it a few weeks before comming off w/ dose dependent upon duration of cycle.

[Hard Head]

Kale, please pm me the link to this post on the other board. Why doesn't this Dr. post here? Someone needs to invite him over........

[Ufa]

Super thaks.

[Ufa]

You right on.

[Ufa]

great stuff.

[Kale]

Kale, please pm me the link to this post on the other board. Why doesn't this Dr. post here? Someone needs to invite him over........

I dont have the exact post, but the guy who posted it originally was Swale who is a HRT Dr, which I believe Mr Robinson is not !!! I can PM you the name of the board if you want

[Ufa]

Fantastic thanks for everyting.

[yom]

i started to stay on all year round about 9 months ago .ive been running high doses 2 .5 g plus of gear for all 9 months. i havent cruised yet but my cruise would be 1 g test week. i want to keep going hard , but the gear getting to my head causing me servere anxiety , where every night i stress out and go crAZY AND have to talk to myself to keep occupied OR ILL snap . anyone ever get this ?

currently on ew , 1 g test, 600 deca, 200 eq, 350 tren, 350 mast, 350 stan,
200mg accutane ed ,

[Kale]

i started to stay on all year round about 9 months ago .ive been running high doses 2 .5 g plus of gear for all 9 months. i havent cruised yet but my cruise would be 1 g test week. i want to keep going hard , but the gear getting to my head causing me servere anxiety , where every night i stress out and go crAZY AND have to talk to myself to keep occupied OR ILL snap . anyone ever get this ?

currently on ew , 1 g test, 600 deca, 200 eq, 350 tren, 350 mast, 350 stan,
200mg accutane ed ,

Thats a lot of fvcking juice bro. What are your stats ? Are you competeing ?

[anabolicbruce]

SWALE IS A VET....PLAIN AND SIMPLE. If I was Mr. Anthony I would sue him
for LIBEL and Slander. He admits he is a vet on other boards. He technically
is a Dr. of Vet. Medicine. Hell, there are Doctors of English, and Music.

He is also a Legend in his own Mind!

WTF are you talking about. If Dr. John Crisler is a vet, then I must be a fu**king kitty cat!! Dr. Crisler is not only one of the head clinicians for the American Academy of Anti-Aging Medicine, but he is also one of the best HRT doctor's in the world. Let me see this post where he admits he's a vet, idiot!

LOL, where do you come up with this sh*t???

[anabolicbruce]

Mods should make you take an IQ test before being allowed to hand out medical advice and slandering a medical doctor who's practice is built around helping people treat hypogonadism and recover from AAS. LOL, who are you again?

[STONES2]

I'm sorry did I START SOMETHING?

Twostones

[anabolicbruce]

No bro, not you, this was a very informative thread until 'Ufa' decided to jump in with his bullsh*t statement against one of my doctors.

BTW, notice ufa joined the boad this month, has only 30 somthing posts, and all of a sudden he is taking down medical doctors...sounds a little fishy IMO

[STONES2]

Thanks every one for looking and for advice,

Twostones

[yom]

yeah its a bits of gear but you get used to it. its abit hard not to use this much gear when my protein powder bill every week is higher than my juice bill.

[bisntris]

before my current cycle (first one 500 test/wk) I was on hrt 100 mg every 2 weeks ...when I'm done cycling should I do pct or not>>>>> I don't give a s**t about the size of my boys...they seem unchanged to me anyway!

[remedy]

SWALE IS A VET....PLAIN AND SIMPLE. If I was Mr. Anthony I would sue him
for LIBEL and Slander. He admits he is a vet on other boards. He technically
is a Dr. of Vet. Medicine. Hell, there are Doctors of English, and Music.

He is also a Legend in his own Mind!

Swale (Dr Crisler) is a D.O. and wrote the book on HCG use.