Weak as ****!!! Dutasteride?

[Random]

i just started dutasteride about 2 weeks ago, i know it prevents the conversion of test to DHT, however does this really create a more estrogenic environment? is this the cause of my weakness lately?

[SPIKE]

Might be all in your head but when I was on Finasteride I definitely felt my Strength decrease. I got off of it and felt like I was back to normal...........

[sp9]

Just my experience, not disagreeing with Jay. I used Finateride Aug 1998 to Dec 2002 - Avodart Dec 2002 to present. Never had any weakness issues.

Remember when compared to placebo, all of the side effects were 2% or less of the population. You could be one of the unlucky 2 out of 100.

My sex drive went up when I switched to duta. Free test rises significantly and is shown in the FDA trials, also in studies LH was increased by 19% even after a year on avodart. So not only is the free test up, but you may be stimulating more to be produced. I found an initial spike in sex drive that seemed to level out after a few months. Maybe from the negative feedback loop.

Estrogen can rise but for most people it does not cuase side effects unless you were already prone. This is a daily drug for BPH and soon we will have 5 year studies to look at.

[sp9]

I never recommend someone start out with avodart, always proscar/finasteride. Finasteride has long term 10 year safety studies, is cheaper, only reduces one type of DHT by 70%, has less reports of initial shedding of hair. Why mess with your dht levels more than needed, best to try finasteride first, if you like the results , don't use the stonger drug.

[Random]

i think my sex drive might be up a bit, and ive already noticed less hair falling out when im in the shower...as far as hairloss while using test and dutasteride...what are your guys experiences with the 2? does dutasteride really make you invincible to hairloss from test? thanks for the help...

[SPIKE]

Remember when compared to placebo, all of the side effects were 2% or less of the population. You could be one of the unlucky 2 out of 100.

Very accurate with the 2% sp9. My dermatologist told me 3% and that I was possibly one of the unlucky ones. Sex drive went down too so I know it wasnt just in my head.........

[sp9]

i think my sex drive might be up a bit, and ive already noticed less hair falling out when im in the shower...as far as hairloss while using test and dutasteride...what are your guys experiences with the 2? does dutasteride really make you invincible to hairloss from test? thanks for the help...

It is hard to tell. I lost alot of hair - thickness on the top and hairline receeded say 1.5 inches. I started with DHT blockers at 28 years old, started with the hairloss at 20. I think the dht blockers did wonders for me as far as halting additional loss, and gaining back some thickness with avodart.

The problem is, even though my hair has been stable for about 8 years, who knows if I was actually going to ever go completley bald, or the current situation is just what my mature hair line and thickness was programmed in my DNA to be all along.

I started out with a tremdously thick head of hair so even though I slowly thinned for many years ,you still can't see scalp anywhere on the toop of my head. It is much thinner though, and I have to keep the sides short becasue they are still at the original thickness.

Answer to your question - I have done 4 cycles that have had these drugs in them (highest doses listed):

DBOL 40mg ED
TEST 700mg EW
EQ 600mg EW
Anavar 60 MG ED

I have never seen any hair loss on a cycle, and have been running avodart every day since before I even started my first cycle.

I can't prove though that the reason I have not lost hair is due to the avodart. It may just be, I reached my mature hair line and thickness and my balding ceased naturally. Who knows. I won't risk stopping avodart though, if that means anything to you.

[SPIKE]

Thanks for the feedback sp9........................

[Random]

yes thats very helpful, i now have some confidence in using test, i do really like test and i basically get no side effects using it, i got some hairloss from tren and i wont touch it again, i plan on being on dutasteride for at least 10 years, any advice you can give about deca ? i heard you shouldnt combine deca with finasteride and test, but what about deca and dutasteride with test? im dont care if i dont ever get to use deca, im basically sold on test and anavar for my personal goals....

[sp9]

Well you see the ones I listed? They are the only one's I go with (all esters of test of course). I am dying to give tren a try but hairloss is an issue, same reason I have not tried deca , winny, abombs, etc.

Deca - the jury is still out for me. I may give it a try someday, but this spring cycle is going to be a nice 1-15 EQ, 1-16 test E, dbol kick start and maybe anavar at the end.

This time gonna switch in some prop the last couple of weeks and not waste the time between the last shot of test e and pct.

[Random]

i will say tren is incredible, amazing strength gains and good vascularity too, but i wont use it again cuz of the hairloss, never got any night sweats but i did get the "cough" and that was horrible! it feels like you have asthma, its a terrible feeling, you cant even take a normal deep breath without your lungs hurting...as far as sides go, is there much difference between 500mg of test a wk versus 700mg of test a wk?

[powerliftmike]

i just started dutasteride about 2 weeks ago, i know it prevents the conversion of test to DHT, however does this really create a more estrogenic environment? is this the cause of my weakness lately?

No a more estrogenic environment is not the cause of your weakness. DHT has powerful CNS effects. Nervous system interactions with muscles is the foundation of strength. Thus strength loss. Proper dosing and you shouldnt have any problems. Just dont give blood while on dutasteride (if blood is transfused into pregnant woman her fetus will be fvcked up).

[Random]

is there anything to counteract the weakness in strength for those people? something like tribulus maybe?

[vitor]

Any DHT-blocker will decarease strenght and libido, because there will be reduced levels of DHT to affect your CNS. But when you are on cycle with proscar, because of the androgens,strenght will go up anyway. So you might not feel it, but you want get as strong as you could have been.

[Random]

so would tribulus be best during the "off" time? or maybe ecdysterone?

[vitor]

so would tribulus be best during the "off" time? or maybe ecdysterone?

Best for what?