Please review cycle, test e and eq, first cycle help please

[jrwo]

I want to run a good first cycle that will add sufficient size but without too much water retention as I would like to be somewhat harder/leaner. Also, as I know all AAS have their associated risks/side effects, I would like to stay somewhat on the safer side.
Stats
age 24
6'1"
212 lbs
bf - 15-17%

My planned cycle:
weeks 3-12 test enan. 400mg
weeks 1-12 eq 400 mg
weeks 14-16 clomid therapy
weeks 1-16 nolva 20mg ed

A few quick questions: should proviron be added, if so all 16 weeks??

Would I be better off just running the test enanthate alone for 10 weeks without eq for a first cycle?

Thanks for the help!

[SPIKE]

Would I be better off just running the test enanthate alone for 10 weeks without eq for a first cycle?

ABSOLUTELY!!! Keep it simple first time around then introduce other compounds as needed for future cycles.

Weeks 1-10-------->Test E 500mgs
Weeks 1-15+------->Nolv 20mgs ED
Weeks 12-15+------>PCT

[NoFaith068]

For your first cycle I would run just test to see how your body reacts to it. 400 mg/week is too little IMO. Bump it to 500.

[NoFaith068]

Ah...Jayhova beat me to it LOL He's a smarter guy anyways

[SPIKE]

Ah...Jayhova beat me to it

We all work together here brotha!!!!!!

[Swifto]

Ahem......

Not THAT smart.

On a more serious note I'd extend it to 12 weeks. A single estered testosterone is the best idea, as Jay's stated. 500mg/wk is more than enough and with the correct diet you should se some good gains in strength/mass.

I'd keep the Nolva on hand and run it if needed. I dont think its neccessary unless your prone to gyno? Have you had any issues during puberty? If you have the access to it, I think an AI would be far better than running a SERM. L-Dex can be obtained via the site sponsor, or even better Proviron?

[jrwo]

thanks, is the l-dex on that site decent, also how about the liquid nolva and clomid that are available on that site? I dont have any experience with them in a liquid form.

[jrwo]

I am prone to gyno so I think the 20mg of nolva should be used. any other input? thanks!

[Swifto]

I'd go with a low dose of L-Dex to combat estrogen related sides. Nolva can be kept on hand, but, I think L-Dex should suffice.

I have never used the products sold at AR-R, but I hear their good.

[RA]

I have never used the products sold at AR-R, but I hear their good.

Can of worms anyone?

[Swifto]

Can of worms anyone?

Didnt want to stir things up too much.

[jrwo]

what is considered the right dose of l-dex?

[New Juice]

I would go for at least 12 weeks if your using test E...it is a slow ester and needs to be ran longer to get adequte results

[jrwo]

so it sounds like 12 weeks of test e is the general consensus? Should i def leave out the eq? and what does of l-dex if i am going to run 20 mg ed of nolva?

[jrwo]

bump

[sinjun2]

ldex id say .25 ed or eod or up it to .5 if needed

[jrwo]

so do i run the ldex and nolva throughout the whole cycle?

[RA]

so do i run the ldex and nolva throughout the whole cycle?

Big debate there. Some do some dont. I would if you KNOW your gyno prone.

[jrwo]

ttt more criticism please