first cycle need help

**intel** · 03-03-2006, 12:44 AM

hi,
i tried to read cycle for newbies but i got lost, i couldn't understand it.....
sorry am new at this

anyways, i have been working my a** off in the gym i workout everyday

M Chest/Tri
T Back/ Bi
W legs/shoulder
Th cardio
F Chest/Tri
Sat Back/ Bi
Sun legs/shoulder
and so on
i lost other 60 pounds of fat and am ready to gain muscle as i said i work very hard. but................ as most people i am willing to try anything to help me get good results faster. as long is it doesnt affect my =====>
u know what i mean.
i am 24 yrs 190 pounds 6 feet
what do you recommend?
if possible a 8 weeks cycle..............please advice
thanks

**Growingpains** · 03-03-2006, 12:55 AM

First off, good work so far! Thats a lot of weight. Personally, before you start a cycle I would restructure your workouts so you don't get burn out and so you get some rest! Maybe you aren't being as efficient as you could be.

My split looks like this,

monday - Chest
Tuesday - Legs
Wednesday - Arms (heavy straight sets)
Thursday - Shoulders
Friday - Back
Saturday - Arms (shorter workout) supersets
Sunday - OFF baby!

Rest is important,

But as for a cycle, I would recommend some Test E, Dbol , for no more than 12 weeks, with Proper PCT (novla, Clomid, Tribulus, etc.) to keep your gains.

If you want to loose more weight you might want to consider doing a cycle of Clen !

Good luck man, let me know whats up,

GP

**intel** · 03-03-2006, 01:00 AM

Originally Posted by Growingpains

But as for a cycle, I would recommend some Test E, Dbol , for no more than 12 weeks, with Proper PCT (novla, Clomid, Tribulus, etc.) to keep your gains.

If you want to loose more weight you might want to consider doing a cycle of Clen !

GP

Test E
Dbol
(novla, Clomid, Tribulus, etc.)
and Clen

can u tell more. the dose ,,,, is it okay to take them together

thanks

**viperbin** · 03-03-2006, 01:01 AM

as far as yer "======>" goes... honestly man be ready to wake up one day and have no nuts.. i mean skittles, they get small... other than that ur good to go for yer area. ahha. just get the proper pct's clomid, nolva, hcg
good luck man
p.s. nice job on working yer ass off

**viperbin** · 03-03-2006, 01:02 AM

as far as growing pains "split" thats the most retarded thing ive ever heard... go get a personal trainer and learn how to train properly... UR MUSCLES BUILD OUTA THE GYM NOT IN IT... UR WORKING UR BICEPS WAAAAY TO MUCH PAL

**intel** · 03-03-2006, 01:09 AM

Originally Posted by viperbin

as far as growing pains "split" thats the most retarded thing ive ever heard... go get a personal trainer and learn how to train properly... UR MUSCLES BUILD OUTA THE GYM NOT IN IT... UR WORKING UR BICEPS WAAAAY TO MUCH PAL

a lot of people told me that, as soon as i get the right stuff i will change the workout

**intel** · 03-03-2006, 01:22 AM

so you think i should use

Test E
Dbol
novla
Clen
arimidex (for the face )

can someone tell me how and when to use them .....
thanks

**intel** · 03-03-2006, 01:35 AM

Originally Posted by viperbin

as far as yer "======>" goes... honestly man be ready to wake up one day and have no nuts.. i mean skittles, they get small... other than that ur good to go for yer area. ahha. just get the proper pct's clomid, nolva, hcg
good luck man
p.s. nice job on working yer ass off

thanks

**Bigd0g** · 03-03-2006, 01:51 AM

My first time i did test cyp and deca i did 400mg deca and 400-500mg test cyp that workt for me. Cuz with test cyp you dont have to shoot evry day =)

**mickdiesel** · 03-03-2006, 01:59 AM

i think you should just run prop at 450-500mg per week and see how that goes. no need to stack your first cycle. if you must stack use var, not a lot of sides and wont make you grow but your strength will force growth.

so i would tell you

(1-8) 450-500mg prop/week
(1-3 or 4) 50mg var/ed

**mickdiesel** · 03-03-2006, 02:17 AM

nobody else chimin in??

**intel** · 03-03-2006, 09:00 AM

what do u guys think about the Novice Cycle #1-3 (For Mass)?
only for 8 week is it a good combination?

**muscle_20** · 03-03-2006, 09:12 AM

far too much training man!i only train biceps 10minutes per week(mind you i am a powerlifter not a body builder).there is such a thing as training too much you know!
at your height there is no need to lose more fat(come on how fat can you be at 190lb and 6ft?!)
i wouldnt use clen ...just stick to your cardio before breakfast and keep your food clean.
for an 8 weeker i would use a test such as prop (due to it being in and out in a few days,faster gains,less time until you need to start pct) at a dose of 500mg per week,forget about the dbol save that for next time.you could use var but why bother spend it on steak and fish cause the real cost is not the drugs but rather the food.cut your training back to 4 days per week or if must 5 days but no more.eat very cleanly but 6-8 times a day and really pile it in when you do eat and the gains have to come.
then just follow the pct protocal which is outlined a million times on this site.
keep it simple theres no need to over complicate things!

**intel** · 03-03-2006, 11:35 AM

Originally Posted by muscle_20

far too much training man!i only train biceps 10minutes per week(mind you i am a powerlifter not a body builder).there is such a thing as training too much you know!
at your height there is no need to lose more fat(come on how fat can you be at 190lb and 6ft?!)
i wouldnt use clen ...just stick to your cardio before breakfast and keep your food clean.
for an 8 weeker i would use a test such as prop (due to it being in and out in a few days,faster gains,less time until you need to start pct) at a dose of 500mg per week,forget about the dbol save that for next time.you could use var but why bother spend it on steak and fish cause the real cost is not the drugs but rather the food.cut your training back to 4 days per week or if must 5 days but no more.eat very cleanly but 6-8 times a day and really pile it in when you do eat and the gains have to come.
then just follow the pct protocal which is outlined a million times on this site.
keep it simple theres no need to over complicate things!

whats a pct protocol??
sorry , i am as a newbie can get

http://anabolicreview-research.com/s...products_id=41
is this the stuff

**intel** · 03-03-2006, 12:19 PM

as far as the diet this how it goes.
8 protein+ glutamine
10 tuna +bread
12 salmon
3 protein+ steak
5 protein+ glutamine viggies and fruits
7:30 creatine
8 protein
8 pasta
10 protein
12 protein

**mcgas7** · 03-03-2006, 12:58 PM

12 week test e 500mg per-w
20mg nolv per däy

pct..
14 days after last injection
300mg clomid
then 100mg clomid for 10
50mg clomid for another ten.. all along side nolva..

ill be running this soon for mass..

**muscle_20** · 03-03-2006, 01:18 PM

your diet needs work.
this is one i find good
1=12egg whites 1yolks 100grams oats l,f milk honey
2=250grams chicken brocoli 50grams rice(cooked weight)
3=same as meal 2
4=250grams steak mixed veg potatoes l,f cheese
5=salmon fillet salad
6=caesin(before bed)50grams nuts
7=whey 55grams 80grams glucose(after training)
your diet doesnt have enough real food in it in my opinion.
this diet that i wrote is not so many calories so if you dont gain on this after a week add in more food

**intel** · 03-03-2006, 01:45 PM

okay so
i can take

Testosterone Enanthate 500 mg weekly (4000 mg total)
Nolvadex 20 mg/Day (280 mg tot)

14 days after last injection
300mg clomid
then 100mg clomid for 10 (1800 mg tot)
50mg clomid for another ten.. all along side nolva..

and arimidex (for the face )-->> how often and how much
is it all i need, no vitamins ?

thank you all

**primetime1** · 03-03-2006, 03:10 PM

bro, 1st off congrads onthe hard work for dropin 60lbs..
however i see your new on here, as many are. youve asked for bros to help you out here and you came to the right place for that for sure.
you should take a look into the profiles and read up on the aas, this way you have some backround information as to what everones chimmin in with.. then you also should work on your splits as mentioned above from some others as this will prolly be a huge benifit to you at this time, most likely more rest would do your body some good for buildin new muscle.
far as the diet this how it goes.
8 protein+ glutamine
10 tuna +bread
12 salmon
3 protein+ steak
5 protein+ glutamine viggies and fruits
7:30 creatine
8 protein
8 pasta
10 protein
12 protein ---- are all those "protien" equivilant to shakes? if so you def need to retune your deit as was also mentioned above. look in the diet forums for a new route for that. sounds like your ready for a bulk diet to gain some muscle.
so, dont take this as flame, as im not one to do that but instead just do some more searching and get what you already have re tooled to gain , then see how that goes, im sure youd keep makin progress if you put the dedication into bulkion as you did with dieting down.

once you get all that into check you can start to look down the road for aas supplementation.
also, so far whats been suggested, 500 test e with proper pct is a great starter cycle..

good luck with your progress.

**MindBomb** · 03-03-2006, 04:50 PM

First off, you are training way too much. Try to take 2 days off a week. Remainder of 5 days, train untl muscle failure.

The diet is way too confusing. Try to consume about 50 grams of protein each meal. I usually eat 3 "real" meals and add three protein shakes in between the meals. 6 meals (not counting snacks) with 50 grams of protein = 300 grams a day, which is plenty.

Now far as the cycle is concern, you'll never gain like your first cycle,. so do it right.

week 1 - 10/12 400-500mg test e
1 - 10/12 400mg deca /eq
8/10 - 12/14 winny 50mg ed

Winny at the end always cut me up pretty good that is why i put it at the end. Run the winny 2 weeks after your last injection. As much as you are working out, you won't need anything to kick start the cycle.

With these dosage, I don't think you'll need any anti-e's. However, it won't hurt to have some.

Good luck and of course above is only my opinion.

**intel** · 03-03-2006, 05:13 PM

my friends tell me i always take it to the extreme.
when i first started the diet i wasn't eating at all, my diet consisted of
2 shake protein morning and night
1 meal of veggies
1 salad
for two months,

until i got sick and the doctors told me about how my body switched to starvation mood and all that, so i went to 1000 calories a day which was still low,.
i was doing a lot of cardio 1 to two hours a day some times twice mornings and evening.after the fourth month i was down to 190.
the f5th and sixth month were pretty hard but i made it to 172....while i was eating more and when i mean more its 1500 calories max.

then i started the new routine the one above, i was always in the gym and if i am not i am thinking of the next day and i was always reading article about how to gain mass.
anyways in two months i gained 19 pounds which is kind of scary know where i came from.

i was using
HT pre-testosterone
creatine
glutamine
hydroxycut hardcore
cortished
joint boost
metamucil and many more.

now i wont to try somethin more powerful, more effective....... STEROIDS ..
when i opened the subject with my friends they all give me a list of side effects,but apperantly nobody knew what they were talking about/

i started to do some research , and here i am ,

now about the stuff you told me, i talked to guy who work in a pharmacy and he said will look what he can do.....

how much do u think it will cost????????????

about the diet the protein are shakes 30 grams each.

**New Juice** · 03-03-2006, 05:27 PM

If your looking for only an eight week cycle test E is not for your....you need to run that for at least 12 weeks...either extend your cycle to 12+, I recommend this for your first cycle due to less injections and easier on the wallet, OR go with test prop for your eight weeks

**intel** · 03-03-2006, 05:28 PM

Originally Posted by New Juice

If your looking for only an eight week cycle test E is not for your....you need to run that for at least 12 weeks...either extend your cycle to 12+, I recommend this for your first cycle due to less injections and easier on the wallet, OR go with test prop for your eight weeks

whats the difference?

**muscle_20** · 03-03-2006, 05:38 PM

human grade from a pharmacy will cost you a few hundred dollars for your cycle.i really know you couldnt care less about me saying this as you wont listen BUT drugs arnt your answer 1500cals?!man if i eat like that for more than a week i couldnt walk any more let alone train!just keep putting the meat into your body every few hours and your body will respond,drugs arnt some magic pill that will make you look huge and amazing in a few weeks we all wish it worked like that but it doesnt!take your extreme personality(as you put it)into putting loads of food into your body ever few hours,this is what will change your body and i dont mean protien shakes i mean steak chicken fish as much as you can get !at this stage with your eating habits all drugs will do is give you some nasty spots and you will feel depressed when you come of them your gains will be tiny!this i promise you!

the difference is test-e you inject once or twize per week and it will take several weeks to make an effect so you need to run it longer test prop needs to be injected every day or every 2nd day because it comes into the body much faster and leaves much faster thus this is the better choice if you wana do an 8 weeker.

**intel** · 03-03-2006, 06:23 PM

hey dont get me wrong , i will eat i will eat like a motherf**er, i like eating, who dosnt
is 3500 calor enough
i think i will go for 8 weeks see the result and then decide.
so is it gonna be the same
8 week test prop 500mg per-w
20mg nolv per däy

pct..
14 days after last injection
300mg clomid
then 100mg clomid for 10
50mg clomid for another ten.. all along side nolva..

**muscle_20** · 03-03-2006, 06:40 PM

sounds good i wouldnt use the nolva though cause you prob wont need it at that dose and it will hinder your gains,i have never needed it myself.just have it at hand should gyno rear its head.
the pct should be allrite,i would take nolva for a while longer than the clomid.there are tons of good pct examples on this site so you will be fine.
for me 3500 cal is a strict diet and i will lose tons of wieght on that amount but i am heavier and younger so i need more calories, i still would aim for at least 4000cal per day and i allways take well upwards of 5000cal when bulking.start at 3500 and up it if you cant keep gaining weight .
are you gona take like 150mg prop ever 2nd day or some how split 500mg over 7 days?
good luck man i am sure you will be happy with your cycle if you increase calories and reduce training frequency to 4 or 5 times per week.

**intel** · 03-03-2006, 08:46 PM

one more thing, am i gonna lose hair?????????????

**intel** · 03-04-2006, 04:06 PM

Originally Posted by intel

hey dont get me wrong , i will eat i will eat like a motherf**er, i like eating, who dosnt
is 3500 calor enough
i think i will go for 8 weeks see the result and then decide.
so is it gonna be the same
8 week test prop 500mg per-w
20mg nolv per däy

pct..
14 days after last injection
300mg clomid
then 100mg clomid for 10
50mg clomid for another ten.. all along side nolva..

anyone knows if i will lose hair with this cycle?

**muscle_20** · 03-04-2006, 04:18 PM

only if you have a family history of baldness,alot of people find a slight thining of their hair without it being too bad.it will only speed up whats going to happen any way.

**Growingpains** · 03-05-2006, 12:26 AM

Originally Posted by viperbin

as far as growing pains "split" thats the most retarded thing ive ever heard... go get a personal trainer and learn how to train properly... UR MUSCLES BUILD OUTA THE GYM NOT IN IT... UR WORKING UR BICEPS WAAAAY TO MUCH PAL

What are you talking about Viper? I didn't say how many sets did I??? I am not saying a lot. But according to Branch Warren, (who is heard is a lot bigger and more experienced than us

) it is the best. So don't just make up things you have no idea about.

GP

**brutesinme** · 03-05-2006, 01:07 AM

First, just cause some huge guy promotes a certain training regime doesn't mean it's great for everyone, each person must find what works for them. I find i respond best if i don't work out more than 2 days in a row. Intel, if you are worried about hair loss, run some finisteride/dutasteride with your cycle. Test converts to DHT in the scalp and prostate and these two drugs could keep that under control. But really, i agree with the consensus here. wait until you hit a plateau, and this means no gains for 3-4 weeks before turning to roids. Spend your time hanging around here and educating yourself on the subject. I also wanted to jump right in, but i listened to the advice i got here, and i think waiting is a good idea for me, and is probably best for you. Get your training and nutrition down first, then look to steroids .

**intel** · 03-07-2006, 02:15 AM

i want to thank you all for the advice, you guys were a big help..
based on the post, i will wait until the summer, coz i think it need a lot of discipline and right now, school is killing me . so yeah i wil start on june

thanks again