Please give this cycle a quick check....

[dazbo]

EDITED EDITED EDITED.....

Hi

Im not going to put too much info cos it seems people dont read the post if there is! So heres the cycle -

wk1-4 150mg prop EOD
wk1-12 500mg enth
wk1-10 400mg EQ
wk 15-18 = Nolva 20mg ED/20mg EOD/10mg EOD (Weeks 1/2/3+4)
wk 15-17 = Clomid 300/100 (days 1/2-21
((((wk 10 = ??????? Possibly 500iu HCG EOD ?????????))))

T3/CLEN CYCLE (First 6wks) -

12 44444444444444444 3333333222222211111(.5)(.5)(5)(.5) (Assuming 25mcg tabs)


Above is cycle dose for T3 for 42day cycle (6weeks) using 5%/40%/55% ramp up/max dose/ramp down

Clen dosages - 1234 days5-42=5tabs daily (Assuming 20mcg Tabs). Week 4 use Benadryl daily.

Im sure those who know what theyre talking about know what I mean by the above numbers. If not just ask.















PLEASE NOTE -

2) The AAS IS to gain muscle, but I am not too worried about how much I gain, its main benefit is to aid with fat loss and keep catabolism down - whilst also gaining SOME muscle.
3) I thought about upping the dosages as Im sure I can handle them, BUT, money IS an issue. I didnt really gain much out of my last couple of cycles last year and therefore dont want to waste much more on more doses only to lose most of it. I am trying to keep PCT right to prevent that but I really am trying to keep costs down.
4) Main importances - cheap cycle, lose last few % of BF, gain some muscle.
5) I am currently 185lbs age 24,BF approx 11%, arms 17.5",46"chest, 30"waist, 5'10". 3rd cycle.

Look - Ive still babbled on!! lol

Thanks

darren

[New Juice]

couple of suggestions...if you are looking to lean out you need to get rid of the deca ! I would replace it with EQ. Deca puts on lots of water wieght, the EQ won't do this but at the same time help you hold onto your gains! You would definatly benifit making this cycle longer. At least two weeks, you WILL see a difference especially if you put the EQ in rather than Deca. After that I would inject Prop ed to keep blood levels even at 100/mg day but that's not to big of a deal. Good Post

[dazbo]

Ah yes - thats one thing i forgot about - using test prop in the 2 weeks that I am off cycle before PCT -

wk 1 = 600mg Test Prop (Split in 3days = 200mg per Shot)
wk 1-10 = 500mg Test Enth (Bi-weekly)
wk 1-8 = 250mg Deca
((((wk 10 = ??????? Possibly 500iu HCG EOD ?????????))))
wk 11-12 = 700mg test prop Shot 100mg EOD
wk 13-16 = Nolva 20mg ED/20mg EOD/10mg EOD (Weeks 1/2/3+4)
wk 13-15 = Clomid 300/100 (days 1/2-21)

As for the other stuff you mentioned - I think Ive now increased the AAS length to 12wks. Also, will wait for oppinion on the EQ/deca side.

thanks

[New Juice]

week one prop-you should shoot that at least eod.

and the reason i suggested 12 weeks is so you could run the test e for that 12 which will give that compound enough time to have its full effects. THEN run the 2 weeks of prop....

just my opinion but i think everybody will agree that test e is to be ran for 12 atleast

[dazbo]

theres also one other thing i missed out on that cycle -

wk 1 = 800mg Test Prop (EOD = 200mg per Shot)
wk 1 = 1000mg Test Enth (Bi-weekly)
wk 2-10 = 500mg Test Enth (Bi-weekly)
wk 1-8 = 250mg Deca
((((wk 10 = ??????? Possibly 500iu HCG EOD ?????????))))
wk 11-12 = 700mg test prop Shot 100mg EOD
wk 13-16 = Nolva 20mg ED/20mg EOD/10mg EOD (Weeks 1/2/3+4)
wk 13-15 = Clomid 300/100 (days 1/2-21)

Right - that was how I was originally meant to have the cycle - Jumpstarting with the Prop and ALSO front loading the enth. And that was the main reason I was able to keep it at just 10week cycle (Kicks in faster with front loading)

Ive edited my first post with it now. Also, my prop in first and last week is EOD - just the way I worded it was wrong - Corrected now tho.

thanks

[dazbo]

PS - I think the EQ might be a good idea providing I can get hold of it from my source.

[goalseeker]

thats a sh!t load of gear bro....Id be curious to see what your other cycles looked like....

[briansauras]

I dont think you;re going to benefit much from 250mg deca for 8wks. If it was me I would raise the dose and extend it.
I also wouldnt frontload E.
Maybe like

wk1-4 150mg prop EOD
wk1-10 500mg enth
wk1-9 400mg EQ
wk11-12 150mg EOD

[dazbo]

My other cycles are on my past posts if you search my threads. It was an uneducated first steroid (Well if you call mick hart's laymans guide about steroids uneducated which I do!) so I didnt keep much of my gains. The second was test prop and anavar (very very very expensive, gentle gains, some fat loss but what I gained I lost due to stopping training etc due to injury - still getting physio for it now)

briansaurus - do you think the cycle of 10wks is OK without front loading ? Also, why no to the front loading ? I do like the look of that cycle because its fairly simple and should produce just what I want within the time I would like. Also, recovery of HPTA should be quicker as Deca really seems to knock me back there!

thanks

[taiboxa]

run deca longer
takes 4-5 weeks to be at full effect

if ur anal u could taper ur prop dosage to be consistant w/ the degredation of your testE but thats up to you

all in all i think it needs more revising

[dazbo]

I forgot to ask - would I be OK to add my T3/clen at the beginning of my cycle ?

[taiboxa]

I forgot to ask - would I be OK to add my T3/clen at the beginning of my cycle ?

yes it would

[dazbo]

Right heres the final revision I hope -

wk1-4 150mg prop EOD
wk1-12 500mg enth
wk1-10 400mg EQ
wk 15-18 = Nolva 20mg ED/20mg EOD/10mg EOD (Weeks 1/2/3+4)
wk 15-17 = Clomid 300/100 (days 1/2-21)

T3/Clen at used first 6wks of cycle.

I decided to do the full 12wks and in doing so, also drop the last couple of prop weeks.

thanks guys

[dazbo]

forgot to ask also, what about the HCG ? Would I be OK to use 500ius EOD in the 12th week ? Just to try and help restore my HPTA quicker?

thanks

[taiboxa]

so umm.. since EQ doesnt take full effect till week 8.. u think 10weeks is enuff?

[dazbo]

I realise ideally it should be used for full 12wks but I gotta stop it 1 wk before test aint I ??

I tell you wot - I think Id be much happier to make it simple and just use double the amount of test - and have a test ONLY cycle ??? Would there be much difference in the gains ??

[goalseeker]

I realise ideally it should be used for full 12wks but I gotta stop it 1 wk before test aint I ??

I tell you wot - I think Id be much happier to make it simple and just use double the amount of test - and have a test ONLY cycle ??? Would there be much difference in the gains ??

I dont think there would be a need to double the amount of test.....

[primetime1]

dazbo, if your lookin to gettin tightened up in the last weeks of this cycle, why not run a test cycle, with a hardening compound at the end? you could run it with test p to kick start, test e for the run, toss some winny or var at the end, with maybe some more prop to lean off the e in to pct.
with the use of the t3 im sure you could get great gains off something like that, leavin the deca and eq out. you look pretty big already with them stats .. dont forget diet is key for gains .
good luck with what ever you run bro.

[dazbo]

Ok so lets say try 750mg test instead. Are we looking at much diff in gains that I want compared to using EQ in there ?

[dazbo]

Right OK, just got that reply as I sent my last one.

Thats a pretty good idea. I might use 750mg of test E for 12weeks, kickstarted with prop, then ending with winny the last 4 weeks crossing over into PCT?

[dazbo]

right, change of plan - straight test E cycle at 750mg! Jesus this is hard work!

[Swifto]

wk 1-4 Test Prop 100mg/ED
wk 1-12 Test Enan 750mg/wk
wk 10-14 Winny 50mg/ED

Could add EQ at 400-600mg/wk from week 1-11?

[primetime1]

regardless of what you run brotha.. im sure with hard training and right dieting you can get the results you want. dont forget some good ol nolv or something to keep bloat down from 750mg/week.

[primetime1]

also, forgot to add, i like swiftos outline.. that could make for some nice gains.

[dazbo]

Right OK thanks guys I think Im all sorted now. Probs going to run what swifto has put or there abouts. And Prime - thanks for reminding me of my ancilliaries during cycle - Ill tend to sway towards 1 x 20mg tab of nolva E3Ds.

Thanks

[Swifto]

Right OK thanks guys I think Im all sorted now. Probs going to run what swifto has put or there abouts. And Prime - thanks for reminding me of my ancilliaries during cycle - Ill tend to sway towards 1 x 20mg tab of nolva E3Ds.

Thanks

I'd go for Proviron 25-50mg/ED.

[primetime1]

20mg nolv ed to keep bloat down works for me