is it really as toxic mg/mg as winny, and if so running it along side winny or directly before would be crazy then
is it really as toxic mg/mg as winny, and if so running it along side winny or directly before would be crazy then
Not as toxic as winny. You can run them together, but whats your reason?
a guy that i know said that his strength went throught the roof and it didnt dry him out as much as winny alone, also i have a good var source, i can afford to run it for as long as i want
you think 50mg/50mg are good for 4 weeks? and how long would you run var for max by itself?
Originally Posted by caban
Most say include test in a cycle, but I find that not to always be true.
What are you trying to accomplish with your cycle?
What dosages you gonna run?
oh im running 700mg prop with it,
1-10 700mg prop
1-10 50mg/ed var?
6-10 50mg/ed winny?
dont know yet
Originally Posted by caban
Do longer, no less than 6 no more than 8.
Winstrol puts alot more stress on your liver than var does. Anavar can be ran for 12 weeks alone.
does eq or deca have a place in there? im not sure
use the winny as and injectable then, no point in gettin liver pains when you can avoid it, when i ran winny i rolled in my bed holding my stomach it hurt so much
Originally Posted by caban
If your doing prop , just do the var with it. No need for winstrol.
Originally Posted by ~fuelforfire~
Injectable/tab both 17aa. = both liver toxic.
so var for week 1-8?
im 5'7" 228lbs
16% bf, wanna put on maybe 8-10 lbs lbm and end up about 230-235 if that makes sense
is that true? i didnt know that depot had 17aa, wow i thought i knew alot, you learn something new everyday
Originally Posted by caban
Var 50mgs weeks 1-10 with the prop.
so what about deca or eq? and would you keep the var at 50mg, i did var for 4 weeks just to try it at 50mg and liked it, what do you think, does more pay or am i waisting money?
Originally Posted by caban
I would choose equipoise over deca for your cycle. You said you could afford the var no problem so bump it up then. Try 60-80mgs then.
yeah maybe ill do 70mg. I have 300 20mg tabs and 100 10mg tabs.
clen in pct you think? i have a 20ml bottle layin around
its 200mcg/ml
never used it but people tell me that it really helps keep gains in pct, which goes against conventional thought because stimulants usually eat muscle in order to maintain the elevated temp. what are your thoughts on this?
I personally stay away from that "stuff". Because of it's affects on the heart and such. So I don't know much about.Originally Posted by caban
yeah i have heard that it kills the cells in the heart, good idea staying away probably
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