4th Cycle help...AI's and SERM's

[neverenuff21]

Quick check from the brains:
Stats 6'4" 205lbs 5-6% tested bf
7 years lifting 3 juicing on/off
deca /tren a/sust/test e/winn/eq
Cycles a bit wierd I know butbut just going off of what works for me, its going to look like this:

week 1-12 200mgs prop wkly at 50 mgs eod
week 1-10 300mgs test e wkly
week 1-10 300mgs eq wkly
week 1-10 300mgs deca wkly

What should I use for AI's and SERM's during and after cycle along with tamox/clomiphene for pct.

If I can get my hands on some HCG how much/when should I shoot it?
thanks guys

[Swifto]

Quick check from the brains:
Stats 6'4" 205lbs 5-6% tested bf
7 years lifting 3 juicing on/off
deca /tren a/sust/test e/winn/eq
Cycles a bit wierd I know butbut just going off of what works for me, its going to look like this:

week 1-12 200mgs prop wkly at 50 mgs eod
week 1-10 300mgs test e wkly
week 1-10 300mgs eq wkly
week 1-10 300mgs deca wkly

What should I use for AI's and SERM's during and after cycle along with tamox/clomiphene for pct.

If I can get my hands on some HCG how much/when should I shoot it?
thanks guys

I think your cycle needs a little work.

What are your goals, bulking or cutting?

[Pinnacle]

I think your cycle needs a little work.

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I agree..300 mgs of EQ isn't shit(10 weeks?).And why deca with EQ?What purpose will that serve at that dose?

~Pinnacle~

[neverenuff21]

Low doses work well for me still. No need to add gear if its working at low doses. Im running below 6% bf obviously Im shooting to add size. In the past I've run 250 weekly test e and 300 deca weekly with absolutely no complaints. just thought id throw in some eq since I was running deca so low.

[neverenuff21]

What do you guys suggest. really want to keep the deca . so ditch the eq or sub for more deca? and AI's SERM's?

[Swifto]

Low doses work well for me still. No need to add gear if its working at low doses. Im running below 6% bf obviously Im shooting to add size. In the past I've run 250 weekly test e and 300 deca weekly with absolutely no complaints. just thought id throw in some eq since I was running deca so low.

You still havent outlined if this cycle is for mass, quality gains or cutting? At 6% I'm guessing your not cutting, unless your competting soon?

I'd go with:

wk 1-8 Test Prop 50-75mg/ED
wk 1-14 Test Enan 350-500mg/wk
wk 1-13 Deca 300-400mg/wk

Leave the EQ out if your going for mass. About the bolds. More compounds doesnt mean better gains, it often mans more sides, even at a low dose.

HCG could be used as your using a Progestin at 250-1000ius/wk, splitting the injections.

[Swifto]

I'd run an AI to combat the sides associated with both estrogen and progesterone. Decreasing estrogen levels will reduce the chances of both estrogen/progesterone related gyno. Letro or Arimidex would be prefferred, due to their ability to reduce estrogen levels dramatically. Vit-B6 should also be used at 100-200mg/ED.

A SERM wont be needed if an effective AI is used IMHO. Nolva could be kept on hand though.

[Pinnacle]

. just thought id throw in some eq since I was running deca so low.

Just like you might get a headache,so I'll take some asprin to be on the safe side?Total waste of gear.....

[neverenuff21]

Well cause i'd like to to add a little mass as well as quality. Hard time believing its totally one or the other. Swift, you dont think running prop at the end is a good idea? to be able to start pct earlier? I was thinking of running it with hcg for two weeks a week after my last shot of test e so as to give the enanth time to leave and start pct three days after last prop.

[neverenuff21]

and i planned on letro with the b6, .75 letro eod?

[Swifto]

and i planned on letro with the b6, .75 letro eod?

Thats should suffice.

Test Prop could be used to kickstart or end the cycle. I think you ned to distinguish your goals then decide whether to use Deca for mass or EQ for quality gains.

[neverenuff21]

Mass over quality at this point. Im already shredded and 6'4" 205 is not where i want to be. Like to hit 225 as ive been off for over a year and think that is highly possible. thanks bro. Your right, thats why I love this board.

[Swifto]

Mass over quality at this point. Im already shredded and 6'4" 205 is not where i want to be. Like to hit 225 as ive been off for over a year and think that is highly possible. thanks bro. Your right, thats why I love this board.

No problem. Good Luck.