Use PROVIRON during PCT!

[SMAN12b]

Incredible info Swifto, thanks!!

[SMAN12b]

What do you consider the average PCT dose should be?

[Testostack]

Difficult to answer, depending on ppl/cycle/cycle history.....

[Swifto]

What do you consider the average PCT dose should be?

I think 50mg/ED is a good starting dose. I wouldnt go below this for PCT. I would go higher though. Only as high as the study(s) state that there is no negative effects on the HPTA.

[SMAN12b]

I think 50mg/ED is a good starting dose. I wouldnt go below this for PCT. I would go higher though. Only as high as the study(s) state that there is no negative effects on the HPTA.

Thanks for the info bro!!!

[stupidhippo]

could vitor elaborate a little on the fact that proviron doesn not reach androgen receptors... moderate dose proviron in PCT is definetly an idea that im gonna try in the future..

[Swifto]

BUMP.

Been getting quesitons on this recently.

[Giants11]

Got me some serious Proviron Swifto, for during cycle as well as PCT.

Much based on your outstanding info!

[Xtralarg]

I always use prov during PCT, its an excellent addition!

[Swifto]

Got me some serious Proviron Swifto, for during cycle as well as PCT.

Much based on your outstanding info!

Like to hear it.

Using Proviron now at 25mg/ED a few weeks after PCT has "finished". May bridge for a few mroe weeks on this dose. Then get bloodwork done shortly.

[Swifto]

I always use prov during PCT, its an excellent addition!

Cheap too.

[one8nine]

i plan to make caps of nolva proviron at 25/25 each for my next pct ..
3 caps the first day
2 caps the next 10 days
1 cap for 29 days

[shortie]

Swifto, here is an example of high dose Proviron~


The effects of mesterolone, a male sex hormone in depressed patients (a double blind controlled study).Itil TM, Michael ST, Shapiro DM, Itil KZ.

Based on computer EEG (CEEG) profiles, in high doses, antidepressant properties of mesterolone, a synthetic androgen, were predicted. In a double-blind placebo controlled study, the clinical effects of 300-450 mg daily mesterolone were investigated in 52 relatively young (age range 26-53 years, mean 42.7 years) male depressed outpatients. During 6 weeks of mesterolone treatment, there was a significant improvement of depressive symptomatology. However, since an improvement was also established during the placebo treatment, no statistically appreciable difference in the therapeutic effects of mesterolone was established compared to placebo. Mesterolone treatment significantly decreased both plasma testosterone and protein bound testosterone levels. Patients with high testosterone levels prior to treatment seem to have had more benefit from mesterolone treatment than patients with low testosterone levels. The degree of improvement weakly correlated to the decrease of testosterone levels during mesterolone treatment.




Excellent post Swifto, I will probably always advocate eliminating all outside androgens for PCT, but you certainly have gotten me thinking.

[shortie]

Ok, here's one for your hat~

Plasma cholesterol, triglycerides, FSH and testosterone levels of normolipemic male patients with decreased fertility treated with mesterolone.

Nikkanen V.

There were no changes in plasma cholesterol, triglycerides, FSH and testosterone levels of 24 healthy men treated with mesterolone for infertility during period of 6 months. The patients were normolipemic and the daily doses were 75 mg. No side-effects were noticed. Mesterolone seems to have too selective or too low androgenic effect with the doses used in order to have an influence on the lipid metabolism of men.


Damnit Swifto, I hate it when people get me to thinking too much!

[Phil ORourke]

great imfo,tanx.

[Stefinoplex]

great info i shall add prov. to my pct of already nolva and hcg. i always knew it was the best ancillary...

[ACAZORES]

I use proviron during my cycle...

[Raven88]

Good thread.

Proviron is a staple in all my cycle and PCTs.

[Swifto]

It seems using Proviron can negatively effect some peoples PCT. Vitor got BW done (I'm sure he'll chime in...) and stated it kept him slightly suppressed when using Proviron?

The key here, like everything, is to try it out for yourself. I dont seem to get suppressed from it and there are studies (which are posted in this thread) supporting it not to be suppressive, even at high doses. But it may not be for everyone.

While I still think it should be used for PCT at 25-50mg/ED, due to the very positive effects it has on us, it seems its not for everyone.

[bpm1]

great info as always swifto,thanks

[steph-on360]

Swifto...I agree 100% WITH ALL THAT'S SAID in this post. For me proviron is a must in all cycle as in pct. It counteract many of pct side effect. When in in pct i always become emotional and don't like that mood, so proviron keep my male character head up lol. Just for this it worth the money

[J*U*icEd]

Fourth, Proviron has a very high binding affinity to SHBG. Which reduces free floating testosterone, synthetic or naturally produced. We want to try and raise testosterone levels during PCT, so we attain the gains we have achieved whilst cycling. So...It would seem logical to use a compound that has a high binding affinity to SHBG during PCT, right? As Proviron has one of the highest binding affinites to SHBG (if not the highest) it serves another purpose here. Reduce SHBG and increase free floating testosterone and your body is catabolic for less time, increasing the chances of attaining gains. It can also be used when cycling to reduce levels of SHBG and may help to break through a plateu you've encountered mid/end of the cycle.

Fourth, Proviron has a very high binding affinity to SHBG. Which reduces free floating testosterone, synthetic or naturally produced.

As Proviron has one of the highest binding affinites to SHBG (if not the highest) it serves another purpose here. Reduce SHBG and increase free floating testosterone and your body is catabolic for less time, increasing the chances of attaining gains.

whats with the conflicting statements on increasing and decreasing free floating testosterone??

[Raven88]

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[Dog-Slime]

whats with the conflicting statements on increasing and decreasing free floating testosterone??

Its not conflicting, just confusing. In the second box you have quoted he is stating that SHGB reduces free floating testosterone, not proviron. So by proviron reducing SHGB it increases free test.

[J*U*icEd]

Its not conflicting, just confusing. In the second box you have quoted he is stating that SHGB reduces free floating testosterone, not proviron. So by proviron reducing SHGB it increases free test.

ok i got it now.... it was just worded kinda weird or maybe i just read it wrong... lol

[Swifto]

ok i got it now.... it was just worded kinda weird or maybe i just read it wrong... lol

Yeah...Sorry, it reads a little confusing. I went off on a tangent about SHBG.

[tslice]

i can not find proviron an ar-r, can you tell me on pm where maybe? Thanks

[Swifto]

i can not find proviron an ar-r, can you tell me on pm where maybe? Thanks

Its not on AR-R. I also dont know any other research companies that sell it.

Ask your 'source'.