have i low test levels can i still ycle or wait or ???????????

**shadow123** · 03-12-2006, 08:02 AM

just had my results which Testosterone 10.7 nmol/L

Reference range 10 to 30 nmol/L

not been on gear for 2 years either and was first blood test

done a cycle each year b4 this for 8 years, first few without pct
third pct was hcg ( 3 shots)
then after this found knowledge and used clomid/nolva

now i dont know if to go back on the gear or what to do

dont feel or look any different than ever b4 and apart from a little down knowing my test levels are than low , would say sex drive down is a little but not much

i have gained 1/2 stone of muscle in the last 2 years tho ( very
hard work tho)

been training 10 years and diet is very good , eat a lot of food
high in protein( chicken tuna eggs mostly and whey protein) and
also can eat whatever i want really and find it hard to put on
weight and to get strenght

body fat is around 10-12% and never do any cardio
not had a drink since xmas and have never been a heavy drinker
use to smoke weed every night but gave this up over 2 months
ago,
will never smoke it again

also gave up smoking fags 2 mths ago

stats
age 30 look a lot younger tho
bf around 10%
6ft tall
13 stone

now i have test e and winny depot
and proviron to run through cycle
and clomid/nolva for pct

would i be ok to use these now and say get another test in 6 mths and if the levels have dropped should i see someone or if they are the same are thye normal

i live in the uk

**shadow123** · 03-12-2006, 08:06 AM

bump for advise

**][-][ ][-][ ][-][** · 03-12-2006, 08:16 AM

I would def wait to get your test levels back to normal then try a cycle, do another PCT Clomid/Nolva/HCG for a month & then do the tests again & see if there is any improvments if you couldnt get them back then go to a doctor he will tell you what to do but i think doing a cycle with already low test levels its going to make it worse & harder to get them back in the future IMHO.

Good luck,

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**shadow123** · 03-12-2006, 08:46 AM

PCT Clomid/Nolva/HCG

how would i run this

and how do i know if i really do have low test levels as i have not cycled for 2 years

**stupidhippo** · 03-12-2006, 09:01 AM

tricky situation this.. have u gotten ur test tested before? if so how was it?

**shadow123** · 03-12-2006, 09:06 AM

no never had them tested b4

wish i had tho

advise needed

dont feel any different than b4 i started roids 8 years ago..........

**stupidhippo** · 03-12-2006, 09:22 AM

if everything else in ur blood work results are ok I think u can go for it..

**shadow123** · 03-12-2006, 09:32 AM

yes cholesterol and liver fumction tests were all normal

cholesterol 3.40
hdl cholesterol 0.90
glucose 4.0

total choleseterol to high density lipoprotein ratio 3.78
liver fuction 19.00

would like some most advise b4 i inject 500mgs of test e please

dont want to look back on this after pct in 13 weeks times

**stupidhippo** · 03-12-2006, 09:35 AM

I think u r good to go since u have like 2 years off.. other option is to try to normalize ur PCT b4 and then end up having to do it again after cycle. I would just go for it.. and then after PCT start to look into ur test levels.. u know there is a big variance in test levels when u take the bloodtest .. Do proper PCT, maybe think about adding HCG in there also..

**shadow123** · 03-12-2006, 09:41 AM

ok our and when would i add hcg

my cycle is

week1-4 test e 500
week 1-8 test e 250
6-10 winny depot 50mgs eod , ed first 3 days

12 hrs after last winny shot start pcy of clomid/nolva

run proviron from week 1 till 5 days before pct( to stop bloat)
25mgs ed

**stupidhippo** · 03-12-2006, 09:51 AM

wait what other ppl have to say here also.. I would add the HCG in the end of the cycle.. just before PCT.... lets see what others have got to say.

**shadow123** · 03-12-2006, 10:00 AM

ok bump for advise

**shadow123** · 03-12-2006, 11:46 AM

bump

**shadow123** · 03-12-2006, 12:31 PM

if no one knows do u know where i could find out

**stupidhippo** · 03-12-2006, 12:37 PM

I can advise u more specifically but I would like to hear what others have to say.. what do you need to know? Wow.. I just looked at ur cycle.. man its a lil weird. Why u dropping the test dose at that one point.. I would atleast keep it at 500.. .

**shadow123** · 03-12-2006, 12:53 PM

dont want to put to much size on that why i am dropping it

just need more advise then i can bang one in now

just dont want my test levels dropping further also want more advise on the hcg have to get this right

**shadow123** · 03-12-2006, 01:55 PM

bump

**stupidhippo** · 03-12-2006, 03:10 PM

there are many conflicting opinions about what is the best PCT. I would suggest u do HCG 2 weeks prior to starting the "real" PCT. This will help your boys to become operational more quickly. Then I would do the regular PCT with nolva... do an extended one (maybe 2 weeks of 40 mgs a day and then 20 to the end).. do it as long as u feel recovered and then get blood work done.. If your test is still low then do another PCT, consult us or some one about that then.. For the HCG dosing protocol there are several options for u... I would do sumin like: 500-1000 IU ED... U might also want to try tongkat Ali and tribulus if u want and dont mind spending the extra.. their usefulness is a questionmark IMO...

If after all this u wont get ur test back to a decent value then I might consider HRT

Then keep the test at 500 mg a week.. u wont get too big , and any muscle u put on extra is just extra (u wont put on that much that its too much).. When PCT comes and all u will lose water and some size... Keep it at 500 mg's a week..

Then there is the PCT protocol from Anthony Roberts which Im gonna try the next time.. the reasoning behind makes sense but I havent tried it personally. If interested go to the PCT forum and check it out..

**shadow123** · 03-12-2006, 03:10 PM

bump again surly somone must have good knowledge

**stupidhippo** · 03-12-2006, 03:14 PM

dont bump so much BTW.. I think u missed my last post since u wrote sumin simultaneously..

**Maetenloch** · 03-12-2006, 03:21 PM

Usually the suggestion for low test levels is to do another PCT or to go on HRT. I would go ahead and do the cycle, but do everything possible to make your recovery easier i.e. run HCG throughout the entire cycle and run clomid/nolvadex during PCT for 6 to 8 weeks. Expect that you'll have to do at least one or two blood tests after PCT to see how recovered you are.

**stupidhippo** · 03-12-2006, 03:26 PM

I wouldnt run HCG during entire cycle . it might lead to desensitation... or if u do so dont do it with a dosage I recommended u ... maybe do a HCG cycle in the middle and then another in the end..

**shadow123** · 03-12-2006, 04:13 PM

whats weeks would u run it and how much at a time, dont want to shoot too much as i have heard to much does more harm than good........

**Maetenloch** · 03-12-2006, 07:14 PM

Originally Posted by shadow123

whats weeks would u run it and how much at a time, dont want to shoot too much as i have heard to much does more harm than good........

I run it throughout at 1000iu/week - split over 3 days. This is based on SWALE's reccommendations and other studies I've seen.

**shadow123** · 03-13-2006, 01:15 PM

what week would i run just weeks 7 and 8

**shadow123** · 03-13-2006, 04:16 PM

are there any doctors on this board who would know

**SS1476** · 03-13-2006, 04:40 PM

Originally Posted by shadow123

ok our and when would i add hcg

my cycle is

week1-4 test e 500
week 1-8 test e 250
6-10 winny depot 50mgs eod , ed first 3 days

12 hrs after last winny shot start pcy of clomid/nolva

run proviron from week 1 till 5 days before pct( to stop bloat)
25mgs ed

Not sure whats going on with that
cycle, but as for the HCG.

I ran mine during the cycle, and did
not admnister it until I showed signs
of atrophy. From that point on, I went
with 500iu 2x a week, until a few days
before my PCT. I went 20 weeks, so I
needed it.
Not sure what to tell you with that
cycle, you should have the same mg
each week.. IMO

**shadow123** · 03-14-2006, 12:22 PM

bump

**shadow123** · 03-14-2006, 04:10 PM

Originally Posted by stupidhippo

dont bump so much BTW.. I think u missed my last post since u wrote sumin simultaneously..

sorry but if i dont this will never get answered by many

**hardgainer12** · 03-14-2006, 04:18 PM

never mind.....

**shadow123** · 03-15-2006, 11:55 AM

Originally Posted by hardgainer12

never mind.....

thats not very kind

**kuad** · 03-15-2006, 12:06 PM

what happens if you start cycle and test levels are low?
btw, ifyou go to a doctor lets say after a cycle and he notices low test what does he recommend?

**spywizard** · 03-15-2006, 12:13 PM

hrt..

**Pooks** · 03-15-2006, 12:33 PM

U ran a cycle a year for the last 8 years and only weight 180lbs? at 6feet?
I'm suprised bro.. i'm sure a stone is 14lbs...

**kuad** · 03-15-2006, 12:36 PM

but what would a doctor reccomend?

**stupidhippo** · 03-15-2006, 01:01 PM

depends, like spy said HRT but more likely he will reschedule for another test in some time.. depends on the doctor..

**kuad** · 03-15-2006, 01:16 PM

and if you run cycle with low test levels...? just harder to bounce back?

**stupidhippo** · 03-15-2006, 02:46 PM

thats purely speculation... might be like that or might not.. havent seen any stats.

**shadow123** · 03-16-2006, 11:54 AM

apart from stipidhippo getting little advise which is a shock , where have all the top guys gone from a few years ago???

so going to shoot anyway first shot tomorrow