bloated face using prop any input

**Merc..** · 03-12-2006, 11:42 PM

I am running a 10wk prop/winny cycle.

wk 1-10 prop 75mg ED
wk 5-10 winny 50 ED
wk 1-10 teslac as a anti E 100 mg ED

This is my 6th cycle in the past three years. I used Test E and cyp in the past( usally use a-dex as a anti-e) I am getting alot of face bloat on this prop cycle. About the same as when using Test E or cyp. I know most people get less bloat on prop . Any advise on how to reduce the moonface on this cycle? Why am I getting so much bloat on the prop?

**Stackertoo** · 03-12-2006, 11:49 PM

You sure you got Prop?

**velvetlion** · 03-12-2006, 11:52 PM

Originally Posted by Stackertoo

You sure you got Prop?

That would be my first question.

Second is why switch your ai if you had success with the other. Never used teslac as before, but maybe that is the problem.

Could be diet also. Are you eating just as clean as you have in previous cycles?

**Merc..** · 03-12-2006, 11:52 PM

Originally Posted by Stackertoo

You sure you got Prop?

Oh yea get a script from the doc and have it filled at a FDA aproved pharmacy that compounds it ... Any input ??

**Stackertoo** · 03-12-2006, 11:54 PM

What about Velvet's questions then. I am stumped as well.

**Merc..** · 03-13-2006, 12:02 AM

Originally Posted by velvetlion

That would be my first question.

Second is why switch your ai if you had success with the other. Never used teslac as before, but maybe that is the problem.

Could be diet also. Are you eating just as clean as you have in previous cycles?

My doc wanted me to try the teslac this time around so thats why I switched it up. My diet is in check also . Do you have any info on teslac? Maybe my dose is to low? Five cycles ago I had a blood test done . Was using Test E at 500 mg everyweek and nolva and my estrogen level was off the hook . It was 440 ng It should have been 130ng or less . Thats when I started using a-dex . I have blood work done often but still waiting for my doc to order the test to see where I am really at now. Not sure why all the bloat with the prop. What do you advise I should try doing to reduce it?

**velvetlion** · 03-13-2006, 12:12 AM

Originally Posted by mercedesdd

My doc wanted me to try the teslac this time around so thats why I switched it up. My diet is in check also . Do you have any info on teslac? Maybe my dose is to low? Five cycles ago I had a blood test done . Was using Test E at 500 mg everyweek and nolva and my estrogen level was off the hook . It was 440 ng It should have been 130ng or less . Thats when I started using a-dex . I have blood work done often but still waiting for my doc to order the test to see where I am really at now. Not sure why all the bloat with the prop. What do you advise I should try doing to reduce it?

If you are eating cleanly, then I would switch back to a dex. Sounds to me like the only logical explanation for what is happening.

**Stackertoo** · 03-13-2006, 12:13 AM

A-dex, Letro or Nolva instead of Teslac .

**velvetlion** · 03-13-2006, 12:14 AM

.....and give me a second on the teslac info. Let me look it up in my reference guide real quick.

**velvetlion** · 03-13-2006, 12:21 AM

My guide says that for maximum estrogen suppression, you should use 250mg/day.

It states that it is a first generation inhibitor and it doesn't come close to suppressing the amount of estrogen that the third generation inhibitors suppress. Example. Teslac at maximum dose 25-50%, third generation 80%+.

Sounds to me like you should switch to A dex.

It also states that the Teslac can sometimes interact with the androgen receptor enough to prohibite testosterone from binding to it.

**Merc..** · 03-13-2006, 12:31 AM

Originally Posted by velvetlion

My guide says that for maximum estrogen suppression, you should use 250mg/day.

It states that it is a first generation inhibitor and it doesn't come close to suppressing the amount of estrogen that the third generation inhibitors suppress. Example. Teslac at maximum dose 25-50%, third generation 80%+.

Sounds to me like you should switch to A dex.

It also states that the Teslac can sometimes interact with the androgen receptor enough to prohibite testosterone from binding to it.

Thanks for your input. I thought the teslac dose was 250 mg also but my doc said that was to high and 100 -150 Ed would work good. I know on hookers profile it also says use 250mg but I was talking to goose4 on this board and he has used teslac with great succes he also said he uses 100 mg Ed but runs it with provrion. I paid alot for the teslac and would like to be able to use it if possible. Could I run a-dex with the teslac also? Maybe like 0.5 mg of a-dex EOD and teslac 100 mg ED . Good idea or not?

**velvetlion** · 03-13-2006, 12:34 AM

Originally Posted by mercedesdd

Thanks for your input. I thought the teslac dose was 250 mg also but my doc said that was to high and 100 -150 Ed would work good. I know on hookers profile it also says use 250mg but I was talking to goose4 on this board and he has used teslac with great succes he also said he uses 100 mg Ed but runs it with provrion. I paid alot for the teslac and would like to be able to use it if possible. Could I run a-dex with the teslac also? Maybe like 0.5 mg of a-dex EOD and teslac 100 mg ED . Good idea or not?

Not sure what problems if any you could have running two AI's at the same time. I wouldn't think that it would be a problem, but might want to get some info. from someone else on it. Maybe Pinn can chime in here.

From what I read on the Teslac though, it basically sounded outdated. There are a lot better options out there now.

**Merc..** · 03-13-2006, 12:43 AM

Originally Posted by velvetlion

Not sure what problems if any you could have running two AI's at the same time. I wouldn't think that it would be a problem, but might want to get some info. from someone else on it. Maybe Pinn can chime in here.

From what I read on the Teslac though, it basically sounded outdated. There are a lot better options out there now.

Thanks for all the help !!!!! Yea wheres good old pinn at ??