Final Critique - Mass Burst Cycle

**lifthard2005** · 03-13-2006, 06:53 PM

ok guys, going to be running a 5 week burst cycle. here is what I plan on doing:

wk 1-4 dbol @ 50mg ed
wk 1-5 sustanon @ 250mg eod
wk 1-5 NPP @ 100mg eod
wk 1-5 tren @ 75mg eod
wk 1-7 nolva @ 20mg ed

now here is where I need input. Would this cycle be better if I replace the sus with prop? Reason is, I am thinking the sus will give a fast acting response with the other 2 esters taking longer, perhaps still in my system after week 5. OR, will prop be better @ 100mg eod for this short cycle?

I am thinking using the sus over prop will ensure the test outlasts the other compounds in my system that will be active.

Please help me decide and the reason why. You guys always give great advice and I need it now before I order my stuff.

Thanks to all.

**01dragonslayer** · 03-13-2006, 07:19 PM

Replace the sust with prop and run it a minimum of 8wks.

No need to 'kick start' this cycle with dbol .

Tren and nandrolone = prolactin induced gyno....be careful.

***D7M*** · 03-13-2006, 07:48 PM

I'd go with the prop

**lifthard2005** · 03-14-2006, 08:09 AM

ok, sounds good and changed it to prop.

question for 01draginslayer - if i take 20mg ed of nolva will it help reduce the prolactin gyno possibility?

**muscle_20** · 03-14-2006, 08:11 AM

looks very intresting now that you have swapped to prop.what are your starting stats?

**01dragonslayer** · 03-14-2006, 08:16 AM

Originally Posted by lifthard2005

if i take 20mg ed of nolva will it help reduce the prolactin gyno possibility?

A better option would be to run 200mg of B6 ED and have dostinex/cabergoline on hand. I wouldn't recommend bromo as sides could be harsh...at least they are for me.

**01dragonslayer** · 03-14-2006, 08:19 AM

OH....you should still run an anti-e (nolva, liquidex, aromasin ) for estrogen related gyno.

**marcus300** · 03-14-2006, 08:21 AM

I agree drop the sus and replace with prop, if its a short cycle id stop at week 6,kickstart with dbol will be fine, id run nolva 10-20mg ED and b6 200mg ED

**lifthard2005** · 03-14-2006, 08:21 AM

Ok,thanks Dragonslayer.

Currently 6'3", 230lbs, 9%bf. This will be my first burst cycle, I'm tired of long cycles, want to change it up and see how i react to a short cycle.

Here is what I will be doing now:

wk 1-6 prop 100mg eod
wk 1-5 npp @ 100mg eod
wk 1-4 dbol @ 50mg ed
wk 1-5 tren @ 75mg eod
wk 1-6 nolva at 20 mg ed

then pct, of course hcg and clomid til sex drive returns!

**01dragonslayer** · 03-14-2006, 08:34 AM

Originally Posted by lifthard2005

Ok,thanks Dragonslayer.

Currently 6'3", 230lbs, 9%bf. This will be my first burst cycle, I'm tired of long cycles, want to change it up and see how i react to a short cycle.

Here is what I will be doing now:

wk 1-8 prop 100mg eod
wk 1-5 npp @ 100mg eod
wk 1-4 dbol @ 50mg ed
wk 1-5 tren @ 75mg eod
wk 1-8 nolva at 20 mg ed

then pct, of course hcg and clomid til sex drive returns!

Your short acting esters...prop and acetate IMO should be injected daily to keep bloods levels elevated as much as possible and since you'll be cycling those daily throw the NPP along with it.

I still don't think dbol is necessary in this cycle because of the quicker acting hormones.

NPP and the tren both need to be ran longer than 5 wks....6 minimum. These are two of the hardest hormones to recover from but in order for them to effective IMO they need to be ran longer and at the same time both should not be cycled right up to PCT.

Nolva should be included to the end of your PCT. HCG would help with recovery but it can't be cycled along side clomid. It needs to be started 8-10 days and completed 2-3 days prior to starting clomid.

Little help from other VETS???

**01dragonslayer** · 03-14-2006, 08:35 AM

...and at 6'3"..230...doses need to be bumped slightly.

**heavyrotation92** · 03-14-2006, 09:22 AM

not to thread jack, but you can mix your b6 with other compounds right?

**muscle_20** · 03-14-2006, 09:33 AM

Originally Posted by heavyrotation92

not to thread jack, but you can mix your b6 with other compounds right?

yes you can...cutting painfull compounds with the b12 is generally the point of using it.

**heavyrotation92** · 03-14-2006, 09:36 AM

Originally Posted by muscle_20

yes you can...cutting painfull compounds with the b12 is generally the point of using it.

but does b12 help with progestine issues while taking compounds like tren ? i know b6 does. same thing?

**lifthard2005** · 03-14-2006, 09:41 AM

no hijacking...lol....its ok.

ok, here is what i am going to do in fear of increasing gyno possibility

wk 1-8 prop @ 150mg eod
wk 1-7 npp @ 150mg eod
wk 1-4 dbol @ 50mg ed
wk 4-8 nolva @ 20mg ed

look better guys? looking for a good mass builder, minimal water retention, and also want it fast acting.

thanks again for all your input

**heavyrotation92** · 03-14-2006, 10:06 AM

why did you lose the tren ?

**lifthard2005** · 03-14-2006, 10:20 AM

fear of prolactin induced gyno from mixing the nandrolone and tren together for 5 weeks.

**01dragonslayer** · 03-14-2006, 10:58 AM

Originally Posted by lifthard2005

no hijacking...lol....its ok.

ok, here is what i am going to do in fear of increasing gyno possibility

wk 1-8 prop @ 150mg eod
wk 1-7 npp @ 150mg eod
wk 1-4 dbol @ 50mg ed
wk 4-8 nolva @ 20mg ed

look better guys? looking for a good mass builder, minimal water retention, and also want it fast acting.

thanks again for all your input

Again, run your nolva through your entire cycle including PCT and IMO take your injections daily.

**lifthard2005** · 03-14-2006, 11:19 AM

ok, i cant handle ed injections.....thats why i chose eod.

wk 1-8 prop @ 150mg eod
wk 1-8 npp @ 150mg eod
wk 1-4 dbol @ 50mg ed
wk 1-8 nolva @ 20mg ed

**Swifto** · 03-14-2006, 12:04 PM

Why not run an AI and take care of both progesterone/estrogen related sides together? Keep the Nolva on hand.

**heavyrotation92** · 03-14-2006, 12:43 PM

Originally Posted by Swifto

Why not run an AI and take care of both progesterone/estrogen related sides together? Keep the Nolva on hand.

like aromasin ?

**Swifto** · 03-14-2006, 01:04 PM

Originally Posted by heavyrotation92

like aromasin?

Yes.

Anything that will reduce estrogen levels will help reduce/prevent the chances of progesterone gyno. Progesterone gyno only arises when estrogen is evident also. Letro would be favoured here as it will reduce estrogen levels by 98%. Or Arimidex with Vit-B6 100-200mg/ED would suffice. Also Aromasin with Vit-B6 100-200mg/ED.

**heavyrotation92** · 03-14-2006, 02:09 PM

Originally Posted by Swifto

Yes.

Anything that will reduce estrogen levels will help reduce/prevent the chances of progesterone gyno. Progesterone gyno only arises when estrogen is evident also. Letro would be favoured here as it will reduce estrogen levels by 98%. Or Arimidex with Vit-B6 100-200mg/ED would suffice. Also Aromasin with Vit-B6 100-200mg/ED.

but you're saying b6 should always be taken when using tren ?

last cycle i was using nolva but no b6.

you suggest b6 on my next one coming up?

dbol 40mg/day - 4 weeks
test e - 750mg/week - 12 weeks
tren a - 75mg/day - 8 weeks

thanks swifto, much appreciated.

**Swifto** · 03-14-2006, 02:13 PM

Originally Posted by heavyrotation92

but you're saying b6 should always be taken when using tren ?

last cycle i was using nolva but no b6.

you suggest b6 on my next one coming up?

dbol 40mg/day - 4 weeks
test e - 750mg/week - 12 weeks
tren a - 75mg/day - 8 weeks

thanks swifto, much appreciated.

I think Vit-B6 would be useful here. But an effective AI would not only reduce the chances of progesterone gyno, it would help reduce aromotasation and prevent water retention from the other compounds your using.

Nolva wont help reduce progesterone related gyno, only block some of estrogens sides.

**heavyrotation92** · 03-14-2006, 02:26 PM

cool

i've heard how good aromasin was so I will most likely hit that up.

**Folsom Cellmate** · 03-14-2006, 04:09 PM

Bring the Tren back for 6 weeks this time and kick the dbol ...Tren is much more effective then anything else you are taking IMO and you will get shut down about the same...plus you can kick the tren if bad sides come about and you will likely be side effect free rather quickly...just go with a Tren and Prop Cycle...running the Prop 2 more weeks then the Tren...thats of course IMO....

good luck