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**thermodave** · 03-17-2006, 07:13 PM

How many guys here have got gyno from tren , and what precautions (AI's) did you take to try and prevent it, and finally, if you did get it, what did you do to try to clear it up? Thanks.

**restless1** · 03-17-2006, 07:19 PM

ive used tren a. several times. i read on another site to always take b6 w/ tren.i have never had problems w/ gyno

**Ufa** · 03-17-2006, 10:36 PM

The first thing you should do is get your test and estro checked. You may need an AI. You dosage will depend on your blood. Everyone is different. You
got to find your own answer.

**velvetlion** · 03-17-2006, 11:58 PM

I have never gotten any gyno from tren . If you run it with a AI such as Arimadex, or Letro, you shouldn't have any problems.

**C_Bino** · 03-18-2006, 12:10 AM

Originally Posted by velvetlion

If you run it with a AI such as Arimadex, or Letro, you shouldn't have any problems.

Follow this advice. If you do get gyno you should act immediately with letro. I posted my gyno-reversal procedure in this thread. You can view it at:

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=230765

-Bino

**vitor** · 03-18-2006, 12:51 AM

Progesterone itself, can not cause gyno. There will have to be exessive estrogen to interact with the prog. and then fire up a progesterone-gyno.

On a Tren only cycle, an AI will not be needed, because estrogen wont be an issue. If you stack Tren with Test or Dianabol , an AI would be a good idea.

**topvega** · 03-18-2006, 12:55 AM

U are going to need to run some sort of test with tren .... tren is very harsh and will shut u down hard....
I run b-6 at 200mg ed with my tren/prop cycle.... I m not gyno prone though...

**thermodave** · 03-18-2006, 06:03 AM

Originally Posted by vitor

Progesterone itself, can not cause gyno. There will have to be exessive estrogen to interact with the prog. and then fire up a progesterone-gyno.

On a Tren only cycle, an AI will not be needed, because estrogen wont be an issue. If you stack Tren with Test or Dianabol, an AI would be a good idea.

Thanks, I didn't realize that progesterone itself can't cause gyno. I'm using Prop, Tren and EQ along with nolva @ 20ed. I thought I had the gyno covered for estrogen but wasn't sure about the progesterone.

**velvetlion** · 03-18-2006, 07:26 AM

Originally Posted by thermodave

Thanks, I didn't realize that progesterone itself can't cause gyno. I'm using Prop, Tren and EQ along with nolva @ 20ed. I thought I had the gyno covered for estrogen but wasn't sure about the progesterone.

From what I understand, the nolva will not help for progesterone gyno. Because it will not get rid of estrogen, just blocks the receptors.

BG · 03-18-2006, 07:35 AM

High Prog. levels make your nipples leak a nasty yellow green milky liquid, high estrogen levels causes gyno. The two together are nasty, seen it first hand. B-6 got rid of the prog. problem.

**vitor** · 03-18-2006, 07:38 AM

Originally Posted by thermodave

Thanks, I didn't realize that progesterone itself can't cause gyno. I'm using Prop, Tren and EQ along with nolva @ 20ed. I thought I had the gyno covered for estrogen but wasn't sure about the progesterone.

Nolva is effective at blocking estrogen-related gyno by its recepter binding in breast tissue, which block estrogens activity there. But it will do nothing for helping out with Progesterone-related problems.

An AI will though, by reducing estrogen-levels in the blood. If you have low levels of estrogen it wont matter how much Progesterone you have floating around(for gyno issues.)

BG · 03-18-2006, 07:42 AM

Vitor, Ive heard different views on this I would like to hear yours, can Deca cause high progesterone levels also?

**vitor** · 03-18-2006, 07:48 AM

Originally Posted by BigGuns101

Vitor, Ive heard different views on this I would like to hear yours, can Deca cause high progesterone levels also?

Yes, Nadrolone has activity at the Progesterone recepter.

BG · 03-18-2006, 07:51 AM

Originally Posted by vitor

Yes, Nadrolone has activity at the Progesterone recepter.

Thanks, never had gyno, used test a few times, but this time around with deca is showed its ugly face, I started some b-6 to see if helps, info appreciated.

**vitor** · 03-18-2006, 07:56 AM

Originally Posted by BigGuns101

Thanks, never had gyno, used test a few times, but this time around with deca is showed its ugly face, I started some b-6 to see if helps, info appreciated.

Continue with the b-6, and add an AI like Letro or Arimidex .

**Froggy** · 03-18-2006, 08:16 AM

If one were to go...visit a Dr. in the know...with the afore mentioned p-gyno...would you not receive a dostinex type remedy?

***BajanBastard*** · 03-18-2006, 08:43 AM

Originally Posted by vitor

Nolva is effective at blocking estrogen-related gyno by its recepter binding in breast tissue, which block estrogens activity there. But it will do nothing for helping out with Progesterone-related problems.

An AI will though, by reducing estrogen-levels in the blood. If you have low levels of estrogen it wont matter how much Progesterone you have floating around(for gyno issues.)

Just to add. It's not the actual progesterone that's doing the damage. Tren has a relatively high binding to the progesterone receptor (PgR), about 60% the hormone itself, plus, a tren metabolite binds to the PgR at even a higher rate than progesterone itself.(100%+) Nolva has the potential to make tren gyno worse because it up regulates the PgR. Ok gotta run i'll finish this later.

**Warrior** · 03-18-2006, 08:59 AM

Originally Posted by vitor

Progesterone itself, can not cause gyno. There will have to be exessive estrogen to interact with the prog. and then fire up a progesterone-gyno.

Right, progesterone can only aggrevate existing gyno... caused by estrogen or an existing condition - such as from puberty...

New AAS users get so scared about gyno - but I really don't think you'll have a problem with it for several, several cycles down the line - and only if you raise your steroid use significantly... unless you are unusually sensitive to estrogen. If you're using more than 500mg per week of an aromatizing steroid - add a little Nolva in there to counter some of it... don't try and block all of it, estrogen has some benefits - like a desirable effect on balancing cholesterol values...

**Warrior** · 03-18-2006, 09:01 AM

Originally Posted by big k.l.g

Nolva has the potential to make tren gyno worse because it up regulates the PgR. Ok gotta run i'll finish this later.

I'd like to hear more on that... never heard of Nolva reacting in this way...

**vitor** · 03-18-2006, 11:13 AM

Originally Posted by big k.l.g

Just to add. It's not the actual progesterone that's doing the damage. Tren has a relatively high binding to the progesterone receptor (PgR), about 60% the hormone itself, plus, a tren metabolite binds to the PgR at even a higher rate than progesterone itself.(100%+) Nolva has the potential to make tren gyno worse because it up regulates the PgR. Ok gotta run i'll finish this later.

Right.

(Yust to get something cleard up.) There will have to be used aromatizable compounds with Tren or Deca for prog-gyno to be developed?

I understand it as:Progesterone causes gyno by enhancing estrogenic stimmulation of mammary gland growth. So, if there isnt exessive estrogen present, prog-gyno wont be an issue.

***BajanBastard*** · 03-18-2006, 02:11 PM

Originally Posted by vitor

Right.

(Yust to get something cleard up.) There will have to be used aromatizable compounds with Tren or Deca for prog-gyno to be developed?

I understand it as:Progesterone causes gyno by enhancing estrogenic stimmulation of mammary gland growth. So, if there isnt exessive estrogen present, prog-gyno wont be an issue.

The study you are referring to analyzes actual progesterone/estrogen induced mammary gland growth. However tren and it metabolites are the culprits not progesterone plus 90% of the time the user will be stacking tren with other aromatizing compounds.

**vitor** · 03-18-2006, 02:22 PM

Originally Posted by big k.l.g

The study you are referring to analyzes actual progesterone/estrogen induced mammary gland growth. However tren and it metabolites are the culprits not progesterone plus 90% of the time the user will be stacking tren with other aromatizing compounds.

That didnt really answer my question.

Will there have to be exessive-estrogen in your system to agrivate progesterone-gyno? (I am pretty sure it does.)

***BajanBastard*** · 03-18-2006, 04:14 PM

Originally Posted by vitor

That didnt really answer my question.

Will there have to be exessive-estrogen in your system to agrivate progesterone-gyno? (I am pretty sure it does.)

Yeah that's right. Progesterone gyno cannot happen w/o estrogen at least that's what the studies say.

**Warrior** · 03-18-2006, 11:30 PM

Originally Posted by big k.l.g

Yeah that's right. Progesterone gyno cannot happen w/o estrogen at least that's what the studies say.

I have read a lot into progesterone as it relates to bromo and thats what my conclusion is. Also, if the gyno alreay exsits (from previous cycles or basic curve balls in life, like puberty... or any other natural predisposition) - then progesterone can further "enhance" it...