Year since last cycle, still shut down.

[SemperFidelis]

My last cycle ended around this time last year, and due to the side effects I decided to hault my AS use for the time being.

I ran my first tren cycle.

Tren for 8 weeks @ 75mg/day
Test E for 10 weeks @ 750mg/w
Test Prop for first 2 weeks @ 200mg/w
Winny for last 3 weeks

During the middle of this cycle I began getting what looked like Gyno for the first time in my AS use ever. I had a discharge when believe it or not, my girl sucked on or bit my nipples. As well as some irritation. I began my nolva around week 4 and continued cycle. The gyno didn't get better, but also did not get worse. I also ended up with NO libido and a dead dick around week 3 or 4. Which I had never had prior to this cycle.

I had expected after my PCT (Clomid, HCG), that I would recover fully just as I had during previous cycles. However, it took almost 4 months for my gyno to subside, and I'm still dealing with my dead dick problem today. I take cialis like candy. On top of all of this, I could not retain my weight at all... Over the course of the last year I've lost 30 lbs, even with a mass building diet and a strict weightlifting routine. I've also had to deal with being run down. Caffeine and Ephedra are my fix just to make it through the day. I assume depression just goes along with all of it.

I still have yet to do bloodwork due to being deployed to Iraq yet once again. I will be getting out of the service in the spring of '07 and plan to see a civilian doctor for a full work up.

What can I do before that? I'm sure that I will not be using AS again if I cannot fix this cycle. Or possibly quite the opposite, end up on HRT for life!

Please advise,

semper fi

[soccer#3]

Sorry to hear all of this.

I wouldnt touch gear again and i would also see a doc asap.

I cant really tell what went wrong but im sure some ppl here will give u some good advise.

Best of luck and be safe in Iraq.

[stocky121]

My last cycle ended around this time last year, and due to the side effects I decided to hault my AS use for the time being.

I ran my first tren cycle.

Tren for 8 weeks @ 75mg/day
Test E for 10 weeks @ 750mg/w
Test Prop for first 2 weeks @ 200mg/w
Winny for last 3 weeks

During the middle of this cycle I began getting what looked like Gyno for the first time in my AS use ever. I had a discharge when believe it or not, my girl sucked on or bit my nipples. As well as some irritation. I began my nolva around week 4 and continued cycle. The gyno didn't get better, but also did not get worse. I also ended up with NO libido and a dead dick around week 3 or 4. Which I had never had prior to this cycle.

I had expected after my PCT (Clomid, HCG), that I would recover fully just as I had during previous cycles. However, it took almost 4 months for my gyno to subside, and I'm still dealing with my dead dick problem today. I take cialis like candy. On top of all of this, I could not retain my weight at all... Over the course of the last year I've lost 30 lbs, even with a mass building diet and a strict weightlifting routine. I've also had to deal with being run down. Caffeine and Ephedra are my fix just to make it through the day. I assume depression just goes along with all of it.

I still have yet to do bloodwork due to being deployed to Iraq yet once again. I will be getting out of the service in the spring of '07 and plan to see a civilian doctor for a full work up.

What can I do before that? I'm sure that I will not be using AS again if I cannot fix this cycle. Or possibly quite the opposite, end up on HRT for life!

Please advise,

semper fi

i would go to the doc's get your level's checked and see what he has to say. if you've been shut down for a year you might need to go on HRT. What's your age ??

[WelshWarrior]

Get bloodwork done. The sooner the better.

[Ufa]

Why wait to 07 to see doctor. Your system won't have a trace left. All they can do is help. If you are low on energy you might endanger your self in
a situation.

[PhiNally]

Get some bloodwork done and see a doc. Don't touch AS again unless you know your body can handle it again

[SS1476]

list the PCT that you did

[QuieTSToRM33]

You could try running another PCT ......... check out Pheedno's PCT protocol

if that doesnt work, u might wanna see a specialist

Get some bloodwork done.

[IBdmfkr]

I'd also like to see the PCT you went with. Also, progesterone gyno will not be taken care of with Nolvadex, that is most likely why your sides continued. Bromo would've been a better choice or even vitamin B6.

[BG]

Ive heard in this case doc sometimes perscribe a small amount of test for a short while then a good pct, Im just stating what Ive heard before but not recomending it.Go see a doctor for sure.

[Alex Rodriguez]

My last cycle ended around this time last year, and due to the side effects I decided to hault my AS use for the time being.

I ran my first tren cycle.

Tren for 8 weeks @ 75mg/day
Test E for 10 weeks @ 750mg/w
Test Prop for first 2 weeks @ 200mg/w
Winny for last 3 weeks

During the middle of this cycle I began getting what looked like Gyno for the first time in my AS use ever. I had a discharge when believe it or not, my girl sucked on or bit my nipples. As well as some irritation. I began my nolva around week 4 and continued cycle. The gyno didn't get better, but also did not get worse. I also ended up with NO libido and a dead dick around week 3 or 4. Which I had never had prior to this cycle.

I had expected after my PCT (Clomid, HCG), that I would recover fully just as I had during previous cycles. However, it took almost 4 months for my gyno to subside, and I'm still dealing with my dead dick problem today. I take cialis like candy. On top of all of this, I could not retain my weight at all... Over the course of the last year I've lost 30 lbs, even with a mass building diet and a strict weightlifting routine. I've also had to deal with being run down. Caffeine and Ephedra are my fix just to make it through the day. I assume depression just goes along with all of it.

I still have yet to do bloodwork due to being deployed to Iraq yet once again. I will be getting out of the service in the spring of '07 and plan to see a civilian doctor for a full work up.

What can I do before that? I'm sure that I will not be using AS again if I cannot fix this cycle. Or possibly quite the opposite, end up on HRT for life!

Please advise,

semper fi

i truely feel for u, can't u ask the army for discharge for this kind of problem?

[gehirin]

Damn brother, that thread is some scary s***. Like my worst nightmare. I can't say much for the gyno, but for the libido and dead dick, maybe it's just a transient effect. There's tons of factors that contribute to that problem. Like everyone said, talk to a doctor. It might be due to diet, stress, lack of sleep...so much. Are you taking and Rx medications. There's so many that have a side effect of decreased libido and such. Also Cialis...be careful. That's a drug with a long half life and I wouldn't recommend long term use. Viagra is short and has had the longest run on the market and shown to be resonable safe for daily use. Cialis to too new.
Worst thing you could do is think too much of it...this will only worsen it. Take some time off and let it just happen...don't force it.

Let us know how it goes...

[G-1000]

That is just wrong that your girl can brest feed off you.

For the limp i would run trib and nolv for 6 weeks. this should hep you get back up and running.

[SS1476]

I'd vote for gsxxr for vet,but
he's already one for a reason

[G-1000]

I'd vote for gsxxr for vet,but
he's already one for a reason

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Thanks but that is not the end of the read.


gsxxr for mod votes will help.

[Pooks]

U need to get bloodwork done, i cant believe in the army u wouldn't be able to get that done if u really press for it hard.. cause i dunno i have a feeling it might be a mental issue... but the bloodwork is the only real way of knowing.

[SS1476]

\
Thanks but that is not the end of the read.


gsxxr for mod votes will help.

+1

[G-1000]

Do the trib and nolv befor the blood work. If you go and get blood work dont and the test levels are low. the doc will wont to put you on hrt. This will not be a good thing for you at this time.

[SemperFidelis]

Thanks for all the replies.

First, I'm a Marine. Had to throw that out there!

I'm 24.

My biggest fear, and the reason I've been waiting to get the blood work done is because of my active duty status. I am in troubled waters still being in the Military. They don't test for AS, but I have still seen several Marines get busted for use. They usually get caught for talking about it all of the time, or gaining a rediculous amount of weight and leaving gear lying around.

I have all of the symptoms of using AS and still being shut down. There is no doubt in my mind that the Navy Doctor will ask, then test me if I tell him I have not used gear. On the other hand, if I do tell him, then I have to worry about a dishonorable discharge. Being so close to my EAS (end of active service), it makes much more sense for me to suffer for the time being and not ruin my life with a bad conduct discharge.

The reason I don't go see a civilian doctor is that I will have to explain whatever perscription drugs they would put me on.

I believe my only choice is to continue to try treating it myself, and possibly get independent blood work done when I return from the dirt to see how out of whack I am.

There is no doubt in my mind that the Tren was the culprit in the majority of my side effects. I had done about 5 cycles prior to this one, with Test, Deca, Winny, Dbol, and never had a problem. The Tren shut me down hard. Which is a shame because I was the leanest I'd been in years.

My PCT on all previous cycles was just clomid. This last cycle I knew that the Tren had shut me down pretty well so I also did my first PCT with HCG.

About 6 weeks after the cycle the sides still had not subsided, so I tried another run of clomid this time with nolva, per suggestion from a friend.

Still nothing.

I also worry about the Cialis, because I purchased a large amount of homemade stuff. Works great, but I know it can't be healthy to be taking all the time. To be honest with you, being deployed is a relief in that department.

Thanks again for the help,
SemperFi

[mick-g]

Bro that was a very harsh cycle for your first. You prob should have done much more research before starting. Right now, i would try hcg 500IU 3 times ew for at least a month prob 2. If you want throw in 25mg ed of proviron. If you do not see any results after the 2 months, up the dosage of hcg to 1000iu e time wk for another month. This should do the trick. I also use NAC, and plenty of Vit-C, and Zinc. Try to eat as clean as possible and get proper sleep.

[SemperFidelis]

Bro that was a very harsh cycle for your first. You prob should have done much more research before starting. Right now, i would try hcg 500IU 3 times ew for at least a month prob 2. If you want throw in 25mg ed of proviron. If you do not see any results after the 2 months, up the dosage of hcg to 1000iu e time wk for another month. This should do the trick. I also use NAC, and plenty of Vit-C, and Zinc. Try to eat as clean as possible and get proper sleep.

Apologies for the confusion. It was my first Tren cycle, not my first cycle. I had done 5 cycles prior to the one listed atop this thread. I just had never used Tren before.

[Outlaw**]

This just made up my mind on using tren...think Ill stay away from it

[SS1476]

..My PCT on all previous cycles was just clomid. This last cycle I knew that the Tren had shut me down pretty well so I also did my first PCT with HCG.

About 6 weeks after the cycle the sides still had not subsided, so I tried another run of clomid this time with nolva, per suggestion from a friend.

Still nothing.

I also worry about the Cialis, because I purchased a large amount of homemade stuff. Works great, but I know it can't be healthy to be taking all the time. To be honest with you, being deployed is a relief in that department.

Thanks again for the help,
SemperFi

First off,thanks for what your doing

Dont get nuts w/ the cialis bro.

Sounds like the PCT wasn't
set up too well back then with
only running clomid. Do what
gsxxr told ya. But Im curious
how you did both PCT's. Can
you lay them for me?

So you ran clomid and nolva
again for 6 wks after with no
luck at all? is that right. At
what doses were these run at?

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Outlaw, no tren needed yet bro.

[Big Bapper]

I would try PCT again, with no HCG. I would go for Clomid, Nolva, Armidex, Tribilus and ZMA.